There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)

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It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping.

Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren't attracted enough to become regular visitors.

Curious to see at which number we'll stabilize.

Next peak will probably happen after either major features release (e.g. exhaustive mod tools allowing reluctant communities to move from Reddit) or the next Reddit fuck up (e.g. removing old.reddit)

Stats on each server: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list

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There are many fatal problems on Lemmy, worst of all is you can't click this link /c/books and see every /c/book on every Lemmy instance of the fediverse. This is out of convenience to moderators and it is killing Lemmy. One people figure out communities only exist on a single instance, the promise of federation is broken and they fuck off.

Very good point-a way of connecting communities on Reddit that seems fairly innocuous but is actually a massive means of the "transmission" of users between communities, allowing users to find communities they like quicker and thus making them more likely to stay.

Very good point that I didn't think of tbh.

See https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3033 It's won'tfix/notabug

but there is this https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818

and https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113

"multireddit" are nice to have but they do not address this problem Which a common view for all user of an entire community across the fediverse. "Multireddit" require client to pick and choose individual communities. This means less than 1% of users will every use it. This means there will never exist a fediverse wide community around topics.

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Propagation and agglomeration is a problem for clients not servers. Server only need to propagate a "we have new stuff" message and it's up to the clients to pull it and cache it. In any case, users should be able to click /c/books and see the content of all /book/ on all instances in a single location. Unless most users can do this with one click, there will not exist a fediverse wide community.

Why do you think communities with the same name will have the same content?

They don't but they get aglomerated together anyway for having the same name . The community is the whole, which specific instance is hosting a particular /c/book post doesn't matter. That it is on /c/book is what matters, not that it is on Lemmy.world

But just because !books@lemmy.world hypothetically exists doesn't mean !books@programming.dev or !books@ttrpg.network have similar enough content. You can already view these communities from any instance. You're essentially trying to apply something like federation on top of something already being federated. They can all have very different rules and different content.

If people have to hunt each post storage location individually, then it will be as if they don't exist to 99.99% users. What will happen is there will be one big one, and they most likely be all on the big instance, and federation becomes just a weird thing that does nothing because functionally that will be just like Reddit. Centralized servers, centralized servers under the control of a tiny priesthood.

Not at all. Reddit has communities that are similar but with different names, rules, and culture and different people use them because they want different experiences. The same is true here.

The crucial difference is that those are differentiated by having a unique name, note a unique hostname. Which hard drive a community is stored should not be considered an important aspect of that community. It only specifies who is allowed to delete and edit content posted to that harddrive

That's like saying everyone that lives on 123 Main St is the same regardless of the city or everyone with the email "Bob" is the same regardless of what their email provider is.

Lemmy has nothing to do with email. I'm sick and tired of this incorrect analogy being used to explain how Lemmy works and people stubbornly not understanding why it's broken because of it.

If you think it through, what you're asking is that the communities will exist only on one server. That's Reddit with extra steps.

Goober, I am literally not asking that and yes this is very similar to email. My home instance is programming.dev. We are both still talking. I did not have to make an account on lemmy.ml to respond to you here. I did not even have to go to lemmy.ml to see or respond to this post. This community does not "exist only on one server" by any means.

Yes because we're in a server default subscription. A server decided list of viable communities, probably a list shared across the fediverse. Again a gayekeeping system by the system elites

We are in the !fediverse! community, only big one that exists.

It's double centralization. This is recreating Reddit.

You're moving the goal posts, you're talking about default subscriptions being a problem now. That's totally different. And besides, it wasn't on my server and yet I found this.

There is no way for a user to block whole instances, there is no way to know if you've been banned from a community or instance, it's extremely easy for people to evade bans and blocks, you can't make private communities, armies of extremists are brigading other instances and they're exploiting Lemmy's flaws to do it, the list goes on and on.

Lemmy blows, but give the rubes time. They'll figure it out.

armies of extremists are brigading other instances and they're exploiting Lemmy's flaws to do it

It crazy how these people can get their bs to show up in my main feed, and then if I comment on it they call me a troll

There's instance-wide blocking on the Connect for Lemmy app, including the option to block everything or only block the communities of that instance and not users. You can make a private community by not federating with anyone on a private instance.

does this also block comments, or only posts? Sync has a similar feature, but only for posts, once inside a post you're still subjected to their comments. Which for troll communities is honestly the worst part

IMO ideally there'd be two separate options. I want to block stuff like foreign language instances or some niche instances so that I don't see communities hosted on them, but I don't want to block the users from those instances when they post in other communities.

Connect for Lemmy has an option for blocking both. The comment still shows, but as "blocked by filter", which hides the content until clicked on, and can be re-hid.

Those are just cop-outs. They need to be hard-coded features on the original Lemmy app. If we have to rely on third-party apps for it, we can and should just use another fediverse app entirely.

I hope someone forks Lemmy at some point.

That's a trivial problem to fix client side. Same as any regular spam filter. If Lemmy gives that power server side to be moderators instead of clients, then Lemmy will become a North Korea style dictatorship like Reddit.