"How can we make lemmy a safer place for women? Is it even possible to?" - literature.cafe

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Well, really the only way to do that is to try and fix the underlying problem, which is largely the ignorance and or malice of men IRL. That's a societal issue though, and one that can't be fixed by Lemmy on Lemmy.

The best method online is just good moderation and not to let their (harmful actors) disingenuous "but mah free speeeccchh" arguments work.

Yeah, the real problem is that it’s socially acceptable to be an asshole, but unacceptable to call it out. There needs to be far less tolerance for people insisting “no, you’re actually being cruel by telling me i did a misogyny” while at the same time allowing those who make honest mistakes or are really young to figure it out. I often feel like moderators are stuck doing the work of parenting vast swathes of people who choose not to grow up.

In addition to this, the Internet is (mostly) anonymous, you don't know if you're talking to an edgy 14 year old saying things to get a reaction or if it is someone who actually thinks those terrible things. The former needs compassion and teaching while the latter needs to face consequences of some kind. Neither of those should be the job of a random person moderating a forum.

which is largely the ignorance and or malice of men IRL.

We're working on it over at !mensliberation@lemmy.ca!

If it's anything like menslib on Reddit then hurray! That's one of maybe 3 subs I miss. It was well moderated and I think offered a truly positive contribution for many men.

Absolutely. Having people involved in this discussion directly and hearing their experiences on lemmy from a non-cis male perspective may help a lot with moderation tool development to gauge what safety concerns need to be addressed.

Moderation is difficult, saying as someone who did mod work on Reddit previously. There's enough misogynistic men that it's swimming against the current.