US warns of Chinese disinformation. China says that's disinformation

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US warns of Chinese disinformation. China says that's disinformation | CNN
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A US State Department report that accuses the Chinese government of expanding disinformation efforts is “in itself disinformation,” Beijing’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs claimed Saturday.

The ministry shot back after the State Department issued a striking report this week in which it accused the Chinese government of expanding efforts to control information and to disseminate propaganda and disinformation that promotes “digital authoritarianism” in China and around the world.

The US report, issued by the Global Engagement Center on Thursday, alleged that China spends billions of dollars a year on foreign information manipulation and warned that Chinese leader Xi Jinping had “significantly expanded” efforts to “shape the global information environment.”

It also underlined US concerns about China as a main military competitor and key rival in the battle over ideas and global disinformation.

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This user just put that in a weird way saying it’s illegal.

Exactly, legal/illegal is a well defined term. The president of Ukraine rejecting something does not make it "ILLEGAL".

Then go to Ukraine and speak out against his conditions for peace talks. You'll be arrested.

Typically when a country is at war due to being invaded, they don't take kindly to people pushing the invaders agenda.

Where in Gonzalo Lira's reporting did he push the Russian's agenda?

Trying to criticize a leader's decision that will kill thousands more should be free and openly allowed for their own citizens. Unfortunately it is not.

I saw some coverage from The Daily Beast that suggested Lira was spouting lots of misinformation, some of which were in line with general Russian talking points. Make of that what you will ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well that's not really convincing but I'll look into it thanks.

Do the same in Russia about Russian terms and you'll have the same treatment, if you don't fall from a window beforehand.

[citation needed]. Which law, which section, which paragraph.

https://www.pressenza.com/2022/03/witchhunt-in-ukraine-against-journalists-activists-and-left-wing-politicians/

They can be arrested for a variety of made up charges to keep them quiet. There are some examples for you.

Indeed, Russia arrests people for things like saying that Crimea is Ukraine.

...have you actually read the article? Are you aware that it's talking about Russian suppression of journalism? That Ukraine got them out of Russian prison via prisoner exchanges?

That is your response to a thread starting out with a post pointing out tankies not bothering to read the sources they quote? To quote a source you didn't read?

One of the most well-known and popular journalists in Ukraine was yesterday arrested by the officers of the Security Service of Ukraine. Unfortunately, the dramatic situation in our country is being used for “cleansing” of opponents, in gross violation of all legal and juridical procedures. Yuriy Tkachev is a journalist from Odessa, Ukraine, editor-in-chief of the online magazine https://timer-odessa.net/. He was very critical of the former and also the current Ukrainian government for its policies afterwards the Maidan, and especially regarding the “Odessa massacre of May 2, 2014” and “Shootings on the Maidan”, whose investigations were stalled, postponed for many years and until today not concluded, among others.

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You posted this link: https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/here-are-stories-5-reporters-persecuted-ukraine-doing-their-job-past

That's what I responded to. I'll have to add "quote the link right away" to my toolbox now, are you happy.

As to Tkachev: He's a known separatist sympathiser. Yes, Ukraine arrests collaborators. You'll of course find plenty of Russian and Russia-influenced media claiming that every single one of them was a saint.

Looks like your own propaganda. Must have had it up on another tab.

You know very well that you're lying, I fished the thing out of my browser history. You may fool others, but you can't fool yourself.

Nice try, but I didn't post that link.

I can assure you you're only saying this for the audience. Because you know what you did and gaslighting me won't work.

I didn't post the link, you're just upset I proved you wrong with the link I provided. Very pathetic tactic by you.

It's been two days and your failure to read things before you quote them is still eating at you.

I applaud that, means you have a conscience left. Be aware, though, that doubling down will not make you save face, on the contrary. Owning up would be commendable, but slinking away is within the realm of the expected and ordinary, no hard feelings. Not even judgement, you have your internal and external pressures to deal with, I understand.

Toodeloo, if I ever need a place to live rent-free I'll be sure to have a look at your head.

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not, you'll not, now shut up

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