Both are useless toys for newbie sysadmins who think their job is sitting and looking at list of processes.
Nice gatekeeping.
Teach me how to know which process is hogging my memory or CPU, in less than 5 steps without htop?
Launch top? Quick glance, type 'q', then kill
Just type k to kill.
Lol, top. Try that to figure out the load on a 256 core DGX slurm setup with that shit. Top is barely usable on consumer hardware...
do you experience that often ?
anyway, the plain, basic 'top' command can provide it to you. There's literally a column %CPU and %MEM
This. Type f, select %MEM, then type s and q.
I mean, you do sometimes need to check out which processes are running to debug
Aren't top or pgrep enough for that?
If it looks better and does the same thing efficiently, I’ll take the thing that looks better.
You have a pre-installed tool and a tool that looks better but which you need to install. When you need it for a rare task, and you administer many machines, it is easier to use what you already have on each of them.
Do these programs not work over SSH?
Sorry, I don't understand what you are talking about. Yes, you can run them in SSH session. No, you still need to have them installed on the remote machine to do this. And installing diagnostic tools is not only time consuming, sometimes it can be even impossible if you already get in troubles (and if you did not, why would you need them?).
Hmm, that’s a fair argument. I’m pretty sure new server installations can just have their default program list modified though.
I use it to find a process quickly and send a SIGTERM. I'm probably a noob though.
Why not top? pkill? killall? These tools are usually installed by default.
Why not indeed.
It is, for them.
It's not even about sysadmins, it's just hacker wannabe. tomorrow they will say "coz I waNt to maSter mo sYstem".
yep good luck in auditing the 1.5k packages installed on your system.
Cringe take. I'ts just a fun pretty system monitor tool. I work as a senior cloud architect. I have 10 years of pretty heavy professional and home Linux usage and I just installed it on my home server because I have a unused 1/3 on one of my monitors at home where it can just live forever inside tmux.
It's fun to see Plex take more resources because someone started a stream, or see the different parts of kubernetes working when I start a few containers. I have also added a drive to my btrfs raid so I was interested in seeing what kinda load the re balance did on the system over time. Turns out not much. It's a fun tool.
I use different tools on the several Azure environments I am part of maintaining lol.
Both are useless toys for newbie sysadmins who think their job is sitting and looking at list of processes.
Nice gatekeeping.
Teach me how to know which process is hogging my memory or CPU, in less than 5 steps without htop?
Launch top? Quick glance, type 'q', then kill
Just type
kto kill.Lol, top. Try that to figure out the load on a 256 core DGX slurm setup with that shit. Top is barely usable on consumer hardware...
do you experience that often ? anyway, the plain, basic 'top' command can provide it to you. There's literally a column %CPU and %MEM
This. Type
f, select%MEM, then typesandq.I mean, you do sometimes need to check out which processes are running to debug
Aren't
toporpgrepenough for that?If it looks better and does the same thing efficiently, I’ll take the thing that looks better.
You have a pre-installed tool and a tool that looks better but which you need to install. When you need it for a rare task, and you administer many machines, it is easier to use what you already have on each of them.
Do these programs not work over SSH?
Sorry, I don't understand what you are talking about. Yes, you can run them in SSH session. No, you still need to have them installed on the remote machine to do this. And installing diagnostic tools is not only time consuming, sometimes it can be even impossible if you already get in troubles (and if you did not, why would you need them?).
Hmm, that’s a fair argument. I’m pretty sure new server installations can just have their default program list modified though.
I use it to find a process quickly and send a SIGTERM. I'm probably a noob though.
Why not
top?pkill?killall? These tools are usually installed by default.Why not indeed.
It is, for them.
It's not even about sysadmins, it's just hacker wannabe. tomorrow they will say "coz I waNt to maSter mo sYstem".
yep good luck in auditing the 1.5k packages installed on your system.
Cringe take. I'ts just a fun pretty system monitor tool. I work as a senior cloud architect. I have 10 years of pretty heavy professional and home Linux usage and I just installed it on my home server because I have a unused 1/3 on one of my monitors at home where it can just live forever inside tmux.
It's fun to see Plex take more resources because someone started a stream, or see the different parts of kubernetes working when I start a few containers. I have also added a drive to my btrfs raid so I was interested in seeing what kinda load the re balance did on the system over time. Turns out not much. It's a fun tool.
I use different tools on the several Azure environments I am part of maintaining lol.