YSK: No Labels is a political party trying to run a spoiler candidate for President in 2024 that should not be taken seriously.

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WYSK: There funded by dark money PACS, but some good reporting has brought out these names: David Koch, Peter Thiel, Reid Hoffman, Mark Cuban, Harlan Crow, and Michael Bloomberg. Some of there members are most famous for stopping big bills. Joe Leiberman, for example, single handedly stopped the single payer portion of the ACA. Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsen Simena kept the John Lewis voting rights act from passing, and famously kept the senate from repealing the filibuster.

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Joe Biden should be in an old folks home. He can barely stand up let alone lead a nation. No fan of the other guy either, but let's face it. Both of them are only puppets on a string.

Biden has accomplished alot of big things actually, they just aren't culture war issues so Republicans have never heard of any of them.

nonetheless, Biden still sounds far, far more coherent than Trump ever did when President

"a historic bipartisan infrastructure bill, generational investments in clean energy and semiconductor manufacturing, the first gun safety law in almost 30 years, a bill codifying same-sex marriage, a bill aiding veterans who suffered health effects from burn pits and an electoral reform to prevent a repeat of Trump’s attempt to use Congress to undermine the election."

https://thehill.com/homenews/4015533-dear-democrats-stop-talking-about-bidens-age-and-focus-on-his-accomplishments/

I think he's doing a fine job.

Yeah but what about drag queens and fighting about childrens movies? Clearly those issues are far more important than infrastructure, strengthening the economy and taking care of veterans

How many kids are still imprisoned in the concentration camps on the border?

In today's news, people can think about more than one thing at a time. Border policy doesn't negate the fact that the Climate Bill and the Infrastructure Bill were objectively good, historic pieces of legislation.

I don't think that answers my question? How many children are still locked up in concentration camps on the border? What is the number? Do you even know or are you just completely checked out from the issue because you are morally reprehensible? Let me illuminate it for you, 1 in 3 of all migrants held in america's concentration camps is a child.

The fact the US has concentration camps on the border and that liberals have just conveniently forgotten about it and gone back to brunch as soon as Biden became president is the problem here. You make claims before an election about issues and then do nothing about them when you have every power to do so. Then you wonder why nobody is enthused to vote for a gaggle of liars.

Pretending that the US is doing literally anything about climate is also a joke. The bill is worthless because it does not change the fact that fossil industries have a higher rate of profit than renewables and until this is resolved every single action on climate is completely performative that only brings us closer and closer to the inevitable disaster that capitalism has caused. What you are doing is greenwashing concentration camps.

Hey, here's the funny thing about the internet: No one is obligated to engage in questions posed in bad faith.

Here's what the climate bill contains for anyone actually interested:
https://youtu.be/qw5zzrOpo2s

It wasn't asked in bad faith. If you knew the answer beforehand I would have happily conceded you do in fact care about having concentration camps. Not knowing is absolutely a sign of being checked out, which is half the issue here, none of you actually do anything except vote. You see politics as something you do once every few years and as a spectator sport the rest of the time. You have no concept of electoral vs non-electoral politics, you literally do not take part politically except as entertainment consumption outside of voting. You all have this embarrassing mindset:

I know the question is in bad faith because these are not concentration camps:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/07/biden-migrant-families-detention

The definition of a concentration camp is: "a place in which large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities".

They are concentration camps. Calling them "migrant detention facilities" does not change their function. It also does not change the fact that the US has been forcefully sterilising women in them either.

"If families were detained, they would be held for short periods of time, perhaps just a few days, and their cases expedited through immigration court"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/07/biden-migrant-families-detention

Not concentration camps. You don't get to leave a concentration camp after having your day in court. Are detention centers ideal? No. But neither is leaving people in the desert without food, water, or shelter, (or worse, leaving them prey to local vigilantes).

Yes, the Trump administration was keeping people in horrific conditions, forcibly sterilizing women, and separating children from their parents without cause and without tracking. If you have some specific evidence that those abuses continue to this day under the Biden administration, please feel free to share.

"If families were detained, they would be held for short periods of time, perhaps just a few days, and their cases expedited through immigration court"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/07/biden-migrant-families-detention

Not concentration camps. You don't get to leave a concentration camp after having your day in court. Are detention centers ideal? No. But neither is leaving people in the desert without food, water, or shelter, (or worse, leaving them prey to local vigilantes).

Yes, the Trump administration was keeping people in horrific conditions, forcibly sterilizing women, and separating children from their parents without cause and without tracking. If you have some specific evidence that those abuses continue to this day under the Biden administration, please feel free to share.

55 days is the average amount of time people spend there. This is not a "small amount of time".

Stop replying to me. I don't want to hear this apologism for literal concentration camps anymore. Get a grip. You're defending the fact that one third of these people are literal children getting locked up for 2 months at a time as if that's normal, fine and good. If you were a German in Nazi germany you would have defended your government every single step of the way.

If you want to learn about the abuses LOOK IT UP, it is nobody's responsibility to educate you. You know how to use google.

Now stop responding to me with concentration camp denial.

They're both far from the best the USA has to offer, but it's better to understand and attack the structural barriers to viable 3rd parties here than to get pissed off at the state of disenfranchisement of the average voter and elect a ' wild card' out of spite

undefined> attack the structural barriers to viable 3rd parties

Which starts by voting third party and ignoring people who parrot nonsense like "a vote for X is a vote for Y".

Nope, terrible idea. You've walked into their trap card: First past the post voting. It takes advantage if your impatience and lack of understanding of the system to lure you into throwing your vote away.

I'd say it starts with bringing ranked or approval voting to your state, supporting voter initiatives in your state that erode the 2 party systems power.

You need to understand

  • how party primaries function to prevent real candidates from getting in
  • how the 2 parties have sequestered funding and resources that the other parties don't have access to
  • how the 2 parties have changed the US government to entrench their power

Nope, that's nonsense that just reinforces the existing dual party structure. The statement 'throwing your vote away' is the first sign you're on the wrong track.