fuck the manosphere
I just want to vent a bit - I started seeing someone a few weeks ago. Old fling that I ran into through some friends that got rekindled, and I was excited that it seemed like more than just casual hookups this time. But there were some yellow flags I ignored that turned out to be red flags, and now I'm feeling frustrated and hurt.
Dude for real dropped the line that men are more "capable" and "logical" on me. That gender studies are "indoctrination." I told him we should probably stop seeing each other if that's really what he thinks. It wouldn't be logical for me to keep seeing someone that thinks lesser of me, now, would it?
I'm grateful to have some guy friends that I turned to after I left, cuz I wanted to go into "fuck all men" mode, but I know it's not true or helpful. Just like there are women out there that have internalized misogyny, there's feminist men, enbies, etc. We're all just people and we're not monoliths beholden to differences in biology. This is just sexist, manosphere bullshit in particular
Anyway. I'm still feeling angry and wanted to put it out there for some support and solidarity. Anyone have a recent win they'd like to share or something?
ETA: Thank you so much for the conversation y'all! I've been trying to keep up but I gotta get some sleep. I'll check in later but hope everyone has a good day. Keep up the empowerment! 💜
If it helps, those guys treat other guys the same way.
Also if it helps there are women who treat other people this way too.
This seems akin to racism to me. My favorite quote about this is from President Lyndon B. Johnson. "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
My dad isn't this kind of guy, but he is an old white guy that watches Fox News. And it's the same thing with them. He has bought any number of supplements advertised on Fox News, and believes wholeheartedly that one day the world will finally understand the deep wisdom he believes in.
I don't believe you can categorize people as a simple either or. "You're a red piller or not." "You're a conservative or a liberal." But I do think you can apply a personality type to people. And it sounds like you sussed out a guy who really needs to feel superior to other people. I fucking hate those kind of people. So good for you, there are a lot of people who may have never figured it out, or weren't socially aware enough to see it. It sucks this turned out to be what it was, but celebrate the fact you're a strong enough person not to put up with it
You may already know about this but your description of sexism as akin to racism made me want to mention intersectionality. It's an analytical framework used to describe social relations as it pertains to privilege and discrimination. There's a good reason you felt that way. Many feminist theorists pose that most/all forms of oppression (racism, homophobia, transphobia, classism, etc.) are modeled after misogyny, which is considered to be the original form of oppression
Could you possibly give a brief synopsis of why they think misogyny is the base model rather than (eg) racism? Considering many countries afford rights to different races before women (eg black men could vote in the US before women) it does make sense, but I'm curious about the basic theory.
Patriarchal society developed before the concepts of race we use today. Much of how society was shaped stemmed from the tribes and clans of the pre modern era.
How pre modern are we talking? Because it seems like homo sapiens vs neanderthal would've had more cross cultural discrimination than men and women within the same species.
Because cultures made up exclusively of one race were still misogynistic. And because there's actual physical differences between the sexes that are used to wrongly justify discriminating against women.
A monoculture being misogynistic doesn't really show that the base model is misogyny. It seems like you'd have to have a culture with mixed races early on that discriminated against women before other races to decisively prove the point.
Your previous comment:
I assumed you understood your own point that you made, so I'm not sure what you're asking for now.
Others have already answered your question but I thought I'd leave you with an article about it in case you want more information. There's a lot more to be said on this than a few comments and the odd article but it's a good enough place to start
Thank you for your comment. I've heard of intersectionality but didn't quite understood the idea behind it, as it was only in passing mentioned.
Now watching a talk by Kimberlé Crenshaw
I'd go a step further: all is modeled after power. If you feel* you have more power it's because the other part is "less than you", not because you both have different strengths.
*Feel, not that it's real.
Everything I wrote is about ways systems exercise coercive/domineering/oppressive power. They're not modeled after power, they're a consequence of heirarchies and the inherent power imbalances that are necessary for hierarchical power structures to maintain their existence
That's a good quote. And by good, I mean helpful in understanding the cycle of assholery.