Bus ticket is so fucking cheap, if you can't leave, it's not time to whine about others' privilege, its time to look in the mirror. Or some water in a puddle, whatever.
Come on, don't be disingenuous, you need more than a bus ticket if you don't live close to the border of a state that allows abortions.
Your whole trip will most likely take three days or more (getting there, getting the procedure, coming back), so you need at least two days in a hotel/Airbnb. You will have to get off work for those days as well, that is cost as well.
That could be around 300$ together if you don't have any vacation/sick days, on top of the cost of the procedure itself. And it's not like you can save up that money over several weeks/months either, when you need an abortion every day counts. Contrary to some media, those affected don't want to wait until the last possible day.
Some people really only have money for the bare necessities. And they are the ones who really should have access to an abortion because a baby wouldn't improve their situation in the slightest.
Being poor isn't a choice in most cases. Learned helplessness might play a role, but telling them "just get a bus ticket, lul" won't change that.
Ain't a "might" about learned helplessness. The amount of rationalization in this day and age about people failing so hard of their own accord that they don't have 300 bucks is fucking pathetic. Like just fucking do something, anything, except continue doing the same thing. Sell some fucking drugs, why not, quick financial.boost and go.
Have they tried just not being poor?
Its surprisingly effective
Exactly, just pop down to the Free Drugs in Bulk For Resale bank and you're good to go!
I hope you’re being sarcastic.
If not, you should seriously reconsider yourself.
Have you ever tried to get anything?
Too poor? Just crime!
FFS
I've never defined my morality by what the government says, is why I suggested to something, that something not being theft though.
It doesn't matter if it's moral, it's dangerous. Cash business in a significant volume, that you can't insure or make meaningful contracts for.
Your suggestion of doing high risk things to make money is the same as a suggestion to gamble to get money.
You fucking people are so risk adverse, it's no wonder you'd rather be slaves to the state rather than try
Pragmatism is slavery... I'm gonna think on that
You in the states? The people who designed your government were generally of that opinion, something about trading liberty for security and all that
No lol
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Actually I agree, it’s far easier to simply let things continue the way they are than to take a leap of faith.
My dad had been talking about leaving the country since we were kids, he just said he wanted to wait for us to go off to college first. But nobody really believed him - he was an underpaid college professor with little to no life savings.
But when Covid hit he sold his house, sold his car, and grabbed a one way ticket to Ecuador. He went down without ever having been, not knowing where he’d end up living, and is now 2 years later living his best life. I visited him and it’s heaven, I’m honestly jealous.
Edit: For those of you downvoting, his “house” was a shitty condo in Jersey and his car was an old nearly broken Honda Fit. He didn’t get much from either.
Hey, if you're poor, just sell your house and your car, that you have when you poor. Everyone has at least couple of houses to sell, right?
I think my landlord would be pissed if I sold my apartment. But hey, since I’m going to Ecuador maybe I can find a sucker and be gone before he notices haha.
OK maybe not everybody but you can always wait for your inheritance, right?
Edit: do I really need to add /s? Or why the downvotes?
My dad is more poor than I am, he just signed a 20 year mortgage at 70 and he is much closer to his 5 step kids. I am getting nothing. What next?
Edit: He at least was able to get a mortgage so maybe "more poor than I am" isn't true.
Your dad had a house and a car to sell
A fucking house is "little to no life savings"? Can you hear yourself?!
It was a shitty condo. You guys are insane lol
So, like, surely you realize people need homes and jobs and stuff right? You can't just hop on the next bus to freedom town and hope for the best, that's a child's view of emigration.
I've literally done that in the past, when things weren't so good. I guess I hadn't been told adults just stay, whine and rot.
adults just stay, whine and rot.
Actually, we usually kill ourselves. Why do you think America has skyrocketing suicide and overdose rates?
If you literally bought a bus ticket with nothing else to your name and somehow survived, you're basically just a lottery winner. That's not a sound financial strategy!
If you literally bought a bus ticket with nothing else to your name and somehow survived, you're basically just a lottery winner.
Lots of people do this, what’re you talking about? You should honestly try it, it’s freeing.
Delusional
Lots of people end up homeless or in prison or or shacking up with whoever will take them in or doing the kind of work they never wanted in their life or dead. This is a shithole country, throwing away your life to go to Dreamsville is stupid af and, honestly, I don't even believe you.
If I wanted that kind of freedom I'd just take out my 9mm retirement plan early, rather than my current plan of waiting until I'm too old to work.
See, this is exactly the mindset leaves people trapped. I love how you throw "doing work" in with prison, dead, etc.
I was more thinking of being forced to do degrading, humiliating, disgusting, or unsafe work. Or, y'know, illegal under-the-table shit. Whatever it takes to get by, no matter how hard it is or how unpredictable the hours are or how much the employerr screws you over.
At that point, what was the fuckin point of moving anyway? Out of the frying pan and into the fire 🙄
Sure. I beleive you, it's not like you might have said what you really thought, nobody openly espousing communism has ever been scared of hard work.
Bus ticket, abortion cost, food and lodging for the duration, lost wages for the time it has taken.
Also what if this is a mother already? Childcare costs while you are gone.
I am sure I have missed a lot as well.
You need to drastically work on your empathy my friend.
Bus ticket is so fucking cheap, if you can't leave, it's not time to whine about others' privilege, its time to look in the mirror. Or some water in a puddle, whatever.
Come on, don't be disingenuous, you need more than a bus ticket if you don't live close to the border of a state that allows abortions.
Your whole trip will most likely take three days or more (getting there, getting the procedure, coming back), so you need at least two days in a hotel/Airbnb. You will have to get off work for those days as well, that is cost as well.
That could be around 300$ together if you don't have any vacation/sick days, on top of the cost of the procedure itself. And it's not like you can save up that money over several weeks/months either, when you need an abortion every day counts. Contrary to some media, those affected don't want to wait until the last possible day.
Some people really only have money for the bare necessities. And they are the ones who really should have access to an abortion because a baby wouldn't improve their situation in the slightest.
Being poor isn't a choice in most cases. Learned helplessness might play a role, but telling them "just get a bus ticket, lul" won't change that.
Ain't a "might" about learned helplessness. The amount of rationalization in this day and age about people failing so hard of their own accord that they don't have 300 bucks is fucking pathetic. Like just fucking do something, anything, except continue doing the same thing. Sell some fucking drugs, why not, quick financial.boost and go.
Have they tried just not being poor?
Its surprisingly effective
Exactly, just pop down to the Free Drugs in Bulk For Resale bank and you're good to go!
I hope you’re being sarcastic.
If not, you should seriously reconsider yourself.
Have you ever tried to get anything?
Too poor? Just crime!
FFS
I've never defined my morality by what the government says, is why I suggested to something, that something not being theft though.
It doesn't matter if it's moral, it's dangerous. Cash business in a significant volume, that you can't insure or make meaningful contracts for.
Your suggestion of doing high risk things to make money is the same as a suggestion to gamble to get money.
You fucking people are so risk adverse, it's no wonder you'd rather be slaves to the state rather than try
Pragmatism is slavery... I'm gonna think on that
You in the states? The people who designed your government were generally of that opinion, something about trading liberty for security and all that
No lol
Dumb removed
Actually I agree, it’s far easier to simply let things continue the way they are than to take a leap of faith.
My dad had been talking about leaving the country since we were kids, he just said he wanted to wait for us to go off to college first. But nobody really believed him - he was an underpaid college professor with little to no life savings.
But when Covid hit he sold his house, sold his car, and grabbed a one way ticket to Ecuador. He went down without ever having been, not knowing where he’d end up living, and is now 2 years later living his best life. I visited him and it’s heaven, I’m honestly jealous.
Edit: For those of you downvoting, his “house” was a shitty condo in Jersey and his car was an old nearly broken Honda Fit. He didn’t get much from either.
Hey, if you're poor, just sell your house and your car, that you have when you poor. Everyone has at least couple of houses to sell, right?
I think my landlord would be pissed if I sold my apartment. But hey, since I’m going to Ecuador maybe I can find a sucker and be gone before he notices haha.
OK maybe not everybody but you can always wait for your inheritance, right?
Edit: do I really need to add /s? Or why the downvotes?
My dad is more poor than I am, he just signed a 20 year mortgage at 70 and he is much closer to his 5 step kids. I am getting nothing. What next?
Edit: He at least was able to get a mortgage so maybe "more poor than I am" isn't true.
Your dad had a house and a car to sell
A fucking house is "little to no life savings"? Can you hear yourself?!
It was a shitty condo. You guys are insane lol
So, like, surely you realize people need homes and jobs and stuff right? You can't just hop on the next bus to freedom town and hope for the best, that's a child's view of emigration.
I've literally done that in the past, when things weren't so good. I guess I hadn't been told adults just stay, whine and rot.
Actually, we usually kill ourselves. Why do you think America has skyrocketing suicide and overdose rates?
If you literally bought a bus ticket with nothing else to your name and somehow survived, you're basically just a lottery winner. That's not a sound financial strategy!
Lots of people do this, what’re you talking about? You should honestly try it, it’s freeing.
Delusional
Lots of people end up homeless or in prison or or shacking up with whoever will take them in or doing the kind of work they never wanted in their life or dead. This is a shithole country, throwing away your life to go to Dreamsville is stupid af and, honestly, I don't even believe you.
If I wanted that kind of freedom I'd just take out my 9mm retirement plan early, rather than my current plan of waiting until I'm too old to work.
See, this is exactly the mindset leaves people trapped. I love how you throw "doing work" in with prison, dead, etc.
I was more thinking of being forced to do degrading, humiliating, disgusting, or unsafe work. Or, y'know, illegal under-the-table shit. Whatever it takes to get by, no matter how hard it is or how unpredictable the hours are or how much the employerr screws you over.
At that point, what was the fuckin point of moving anyway? Out of the frying pan and into the fire 🙄
Sure. I beleive you, it's not like you might have said what you really thought, nobody openly espousing communism has ever been scared of hard work.
I'm literally a welding press operator lol
Bus ticket, abortion cost, food and lodging for the duration, lost wages for the time it has taken. Also what if this is a mother already? Childcare costs while you are gone.
I am sure I have missed a lot as well.
You need to drastically work on your empathy my friend.