Rudy Giuliani files for bankruptcy after $148M defamation judgment

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Rudy Giuliani files for bankruptcy after $148M defamation judgment
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Except for student loans of course. Nothing but the sweet sweet release of death can discharge that debt.

Not even that; IIRC your family can inherit your student loan debt if you die.

"Inheriting debt" as far as I am aware has never been legally validated.

At least in America, the courts are silent about it.

Like, your paychecks can't be garnished in the name of inherited debt, but the courts also wont stop debt collectors from going after a person for inherited debt.

If the surviving family buckles under the harassment and pays, they buckle and pay. If they hold strong and wait for the collectors to move on, they don't pay.

It depends on the state I've recently learned. Some states allow inheriting debt, others don't. Even some are in between allowing it for spouses only.

This isn't in the case of something "unwanted". You can decline to assume a debt from inheritance. You would also be giving up anything tied to it like a house or car. In the case of a dead loved one's higher education, there's no reason to assume the debt. You don't get the education if you do.

I mean, it makes sense (to me at least) that spouses would inherit debt "that was their spouses", with the possible exception of established prenuptial/last will and testament agreements creating a grey area in favor of the surviving spouse.

By default, a marriage is a merging of finances and households.

Without things like prenups and wills, a divorce is going to be a process of splitting all liabilities and assets 50/50. Similarly, without prenups and wills, the surviving spouse is going to inherit all of assets AND all liabilities (because technically they always held them in tandem with their spouse).

Now, if there was always a prenup, Hubby always had the money, Wifey was on a weekly/monthly allowance, and Hubby had a will where he left all the money to his son from another woman, leaving Wifey with nothing, Wifey didn't get any assets, obviously she doesn't inherit any debt.

Outside marriage, I think it should go like this:

Upon death, non-liquid assets get distributed. Timmy inherits the Pontiac GT, Harriet inherits all of the clothes, Wilfred gets all the furniture, Freddy gets the house. Any SECURED liability on the non-liquid assets stay attached. Dad had 3k left on the car loan for the Pontiac, Timmy can take over that car loan. If Freddy doesn't want Dad's house worth 300k dollars with 200k left on the mortgage, he has the option to liquidate the house, but the proceeds from that sale go into the liquid assets of the estate, not into Freddy's pocket.

After non-liquid assets have been distributed/liquidated and BEFORE any liquid assets get distributed as inheritance, liability holders for the estate get to fight over what ever liquid assets are there. If the estate, after liquidation, has 400k in liquid assets, secured liability holders (the mortgage company) are going to get first stab at the money. The mortgage company recovers its 300k. Then any unsecured liability holders (Dad's credit card he ran up to 60k dollars) get next stab at the liquid assets. They recover their 60k, that leaves 40k in liquid assets.

If the liability of the estate exceeds the liquid assets of the estate, no dollars are going to anyone in the family. Liability holders get all the money, and some of them probably get stiffed on the remainder.

In no event does unsecured liability get shuffled off on a successor of the deceased.

If there are no liquid assets left after liability has been resolved, Frankie doesn't get the 10k Dad's will said was bequeathed to him.

No idea how all of this actually plays out. Just my opinion on what should happen with an estate after death.

This isn't true. In fact, I told my wife that I'd come back and haunt her if she paid a penny towards my student loans if I died.

But it doesn't matter any more, I was able to get my student loan debt finally discharged earlier this year. All it took was sending $450 to my loan carrier every month for 20 years, and then they told me I didn't need to send any more. Thanks Biden!

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