First, the whole matter of some country being able to affect political groups in another country being normal, as you're saying about it, is more than lousy to say the least. Israel did not create hamas. Israel could not know how it will act over the years. Israel could not know who will win the elections.
Second, proposing the idea that a modern non-jihad government would put their own population at risk of terrorist attacks in order to have a chance to do genocide of other population is ridiculous.
Third, if the "second" thing above is incorrect, they would instead fiddle with the iron dome. More specifically, there would be no iron dome in the first place - they would take all the rocket hits they could in order to show the world how aggressive terrorists are and invade Gaza asap.
you use Nazi-tier logic to defend Nazi-tier actions.
I don't know what to say here. What nazi-tier even means is beyond me. But you here basically operate with extremes like every actor does exactly what they are programmed to do. It seems to me that even if some investigation will conclude that Israel, in fact, did not intent to fund any specific group, you'll still find new twists in order to make Israel guilty of what hamas did.
Israel did not create hamas. Israel could not know how it will act over the years.
Noone said Israel created Hamas - but for them not to realise that they would be openly hostile to Israel given their rhetoric would represent a literally unbelievable level of incompetence on Israel's part. Dumb and/or dishonest.
Israel could not know who will win the elections.
They threw enough money at Hamas to help them successfully win the election. Not a guarantee, but a definite finger on the scale. Dumb and dishonest.
Second, proposing the idea that a modern non-jihad government would put their own population at risk of terrorist attacks in order to have a chance to do genocide of other population is ridiculous.
A few of hundred Israelis traded for the extermination of the Palestinians and the annexation of their territory is implausible to you? Just about any force that's conducted an annexation has paid a greater price than this - look at Russia right now. Israel aren't Islamic, so jihadist isn't a great characterisation, but they're theocratic and genocidal - a distinction without a meaningful difference. Dumb and/or dishonest.
they would instead fiddle with the iron dome.
Why? It works well enough, and they haven't bothered to invest further in it with Hamas in power and years of rocket attacks? Seems as though Netanyahu isn't too concerned about a few hundred Israeli deaths, no? Dumb or dishonest.
What nazi-tier even means is beyond me
A far-right wing fascist ethnostate doing warcrimes and genocidal bullshit. Dumb and dishonest.
What did these Israeli government representatives mean when they said...
Prime Minister Netanyahu
They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”
and
You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.
and
I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals
"Defence" minister Galant
We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly
Kallner...
Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!
Atbaryan...
erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.
Halevi...
goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”
In case you don't remember your Torah, here's a refresher on the Amalekites...
I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
You're not convincing anyone, Rudolph Jitler.
I can't care enough to explain contradictions in your comment. It's dumb and dishonest, also speculative.
The contradictions quoted directly from the genocidal monsters you're defending, which are dumb, dishonest, and speculative?
I'm sure you've shared your totally real explanation of the mask off genocidal admissions with your totally real girlfriend... who goes to another school... In another country - it's all definitely real though.
I wish you all the very best of luck in emulating Hitler's exit strategy, Rudolph Jitler.
When I said contradictions and "speculative" I meant only unquoted parts. Quotes parts from named persons are pretty much irrelevant and I have neither time nor interest to verify them, especially when they are mixed with accusations of religious and/or other uninteresting nature and fake names.
You're wrong and I'm defending a genocide - in just too lazy to explain why, and your quotes from the leader of the country she leader of the military are irrelevant... Fake news.
You're applauding the genocide of a group of people because of their race and religion, and you don't understand why. You're both a useful idiot and a monstrous piece of shit, deserving of the type of treatment that you're wishing upon Palestinians.
You're applauding the genocide of a group of people because of their race and religion, and you don't understand why.
I'm not applauding, it's only in your head. If hamas fought for freedom they'd do it in a way that would not lead to current events. Even still, they can stop what's happening by surrendering. I don't need to care about their religion to understand that their actions are idiotic and will not lead to what they claim they're fighting for.
The existence of Hamas isn't an excuse for the genocide of Palestine.
If Hamas all killed themselves publicly immediately, this wouldn't stop.
The Israeli government backed the rise of Hamas over moderate secular orgs - they've admitted to this. The Israeli government wants to commit a genocide in order to establish an ethnostate - they've admitted to this, and kill far more Palestinian civilians than Hamas - to say nothing of those they've forcefully displaced, and the rest that they confine to an open air concentration camp (which they're currently bombing). The Israeli government supported the Hamas terrorists, knowing they'd kill Israelis, creating the pretext for what they're now doing. This is monstrous.
If Hamas all killed themselves publicly immediately, this wouldn't stop.
It will, for the same reason why Israel couldn't do the genocide publicly without "creating the pretext" beforehand. Because somehow they feel satisfying public is imperative.
So they won't stop - they'll be stopped.
Israel, the dominant regional, nuclear power, have:
Established an apartheid state,
Confined their untermensch to concentration camps,
Promoted an openly hostile group to leadership of the untermensch, knowing hundreds/thousands would die, giving them an excuse to kill orders of magnitude more.
Restricted/cut water, food, power, trade and movement to the country-scale concentration camps.
Killed tens of thousands of civilians, injuring and displacing many more to advance a genocide to establish an ethnostate.
Will likely abandon democracy.
...and they won't stop until they're forced to.
Why are you defending this unambiguously monstrous behaviour
How much further would Israel need to go for you to condemn them
Why shouldn't the international community (i.e. The US) step in immediately?
Is there a meaningful distinction between Novemberpogrome-era (kristallnacht) Nazi Germany and Israel you can identify?
Why at some point you say Israel needs a public reason and very carefully constructed circumstances to start the invasion, but then say that Israel will not stop this invasion unless someone makes them? This absense of logic shows that your judgement is based on how you imagine a monster in your head, not on how real events play out.
If you allow yourself to assume I'm defending Israel, then I'm gonna assume you're defending monsters who were, by your own words, put in power by Israel, and then for years were bombing both Israel as Gaza with barely working missiles.
You refuse the idea of hamas being able to stop the invasion by surrendering, so I'm assuming those people are more important than the rest of Palestinians for you.
Why do you ask me to condemn something if, by your own words, only the US is able to stop Israel? I'm not the US and they will not listen to me.
Looking for confirmation of some magic connection between something and nazi Germany is useless and only serves your own satisfaction in placing a "bad" marker on a monster you imagined in your head. Feel free to do that without anyone's permission.
Why at some point you say Israel needs a public reason and very carefully constructed circumstances to start the invasion, but then say that Israel will not stop this invasion unless someone makes them? This absense of logic shows that your judgement is based on how you imagine a monster in your head, not on how real events play out.
If Israel doesn't manufacture pretext, the US won't be able to support them, which will stop the UN security council vetoes, military and financial aid, the dampener on international condemnation, and likely trigger direct intervention to stop the genocide - as it is, Biden has taken a massive hit at the polls due to his support. This is very simple, straightforward logic where's the gap you're insisting exists?
If you allow yourself to assume I'm defending Israel
What are you doing here if not defending Israel? I've given you ample opportunity to correct the record on this point, and you've consistently deflected to whining about the far lesser of two evils.
I'm gonna assume you're defending monsters who were, by your own words, put in power by Israel.
Yes - I'm defending the group I called monsters (and evil in the paragraph above). You're too stupid to sell these lies - don't bother.
You refuse the idea of hamas being able to stop the invasion by surrendering, so I'm assuming those people are more important than the rest of Palestinians for you.
You're going to need to explain your logic on this one. There's zero logical connection between those statements.
Why do you ask me to condemn something if, by your own words, only the US is able to stop Israel? I'm not the US and they will not listen to me.
Because I'm underscoring the fact that you're defending a genocide. You've complained about Hamas - WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T YOU STOPPED THEM?
Looking for confirmation of some magic connection between something and nazi Germany is useless and only serves your own satisfaction in placing a "bad" marker on a monster you imagined in your head. Feel free to do that without anyone's permission.
I've drawn a pretty clear comparison between the actions of Israel and one of the most uncontroversially evil groups in history (particularly to Israelis). I've invited you to point to a meaningful difference between one of the greatest evils in history and the group you're defending, and you've failed.
Give me a reason to think you're not defending a genocide rather than telling lies, pointing to fictional logic gaps and insisting I'm defending a group I'm actively condemning. It's reeeally simple "Israel are committing a genocide - a completely indefensible act, which should see their leadership tried in the Hague" or alternatively, "What Israel is doing is fine because..." - at which point I'll continue to ridicule you for your continued moronic, genocidal nonsense.
Over to you, Rudolph Jitler.
This is very simple, straightforward logic where's the gap you're insisting exists?
The gap is you thinking whatever they achieved with the "pretext" will not disappear with the last hamas members surrendering.
What are you doing here if not defending Israel?
I'm merely pointing at elephants in the room. What hamas have been doing was a mistake and a lost opportunity for Palestinians.
Yes - I'm defending the group I called monsters
Defending hamas you mean? Yes, I don't see why anyone would do that if not for the sake of hoping they would do more useless attacks, instead of doing something meaningful in current situation.
You're going to need to explain your logic on this one.
IDF: we need to kill hamas terrorists.
Hamas: gotta hide ourselves and let them kill Palestinians instead.
You: Israel wants to kill Palestinians, not hamas. Hamas better hide themselves.
Still not seeing it?
You've complained about Hamas - WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T YOU STOPPED THEM?
So this is why I haven't been seeing any discussion where people like you condemned hamas terrorists attacks in past years? Because by your logic you need to be able to do something to correct the situation in order to be allowed to condemn it? I see. But then not getting what are you trying to achieve here.
I've drawn a pretty clear comparison between the actions of Israel and one of the most uncontroversially evil groups in history (particularly to Israelis). I've invited you to point to a meaningful difference between one of the greatest evils in history and the group you're defending, and you've failed.
Let's start with the fact that nazi didn't need to construct the "pretext" that would rely on a group (that they've put in power) that would attack them with useless missiles. They've just attacked. Meaningful difference.
First, the whole matter of some country being able to affect political groups in another country being normal, as you're saying about it, is more than lousy to say the least. Israel did not create hamas. Israel could not know how it will act over the years. Israel could not know who will win the elections.
Second, proposing the idea that a modern non-jihad government would put their own population at risk of terrorist attacks in order to have a chance to do genocide of other population is ridiculous.
Third, if the "second" thing above is incorrect, they would instead fiddle with the iron dome. More specifically, there would be no iron dome in the first place - they would take all the rocket hits they could in order to show the world how aggressive terrorists are and invade Gaza asap.
I don't know what to say here. What nazi-tier even means is beyond me. But you here basically operate with extremes like every actor does exactly what they are programmed to do. It seems to me that even if some investigation will conclude that Israel, in fact, did not intent to fund any specific group, you'll still find new twists in order to make Israel guilty of what hamas did.
Noone said Israel created Hamas - but for them not to realise that they would be openly hostile to Israel given their rhetoric would represent a literally unbelievable level of incompetence on Israel's part. Dumb and/or dishonest.
They threw enough money at Hamas to help them successfully win the election. Not a guarantee, but a definite finger on the scale. Dumb and dishonest.
A few of hundred Israelis traded for the extermination of the Palestinians and the annexation of their territory is implausible to you? Just about any force that's conducted an annexation has paid a greater price than this - look at Russia right now. Israel aren't Islamic, so jihadist isn't a great characterisation, but they're theocratic and genocidal - a distinction without a meaningful difference. Dumb and/or dishonest.
Why? It works well enough, and they haven't bothered to invest further in it with Hamas in power and years of rocket attacks? Seems as though Netanyahu isn't too concerned about a few hundred Israeli deaths, no? Dumb or dishonest.
A far-right wing fascist ethnostate doing warcrimes and genocidal bullshit. Dumb and dishonest.
What did these Israeli government representatives mean when they said...
Prime Minister Netanyahu
and
and
"Defence" minister Galant
Kallner...
Atbaryan...
Halevi...
In case you don't remember your Torah, here's a refresher on the Amalekites... I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
You're not convincing anyone, Rudolph Jitler.
I can't care enough to explain contradictions in your comment. It's dumb and dishonest, also speculative.
The contradictions quoted directly from the genocidal monsters you're defending, which are dumb, dishonest, and speculative?
I'm sure you've shared your totally real explanation of the mask off genocidal admissions with your totally real girlfriend... who goes to another school... In another country - it's all definitely real though.
I wish you all the very best of luck in emulating Hitler's exit strategy, Rudolph Jitler.
When I said contradictions and "speculative" I meant only unquoted parts. Quotes parts from named persons are pretty much irrelevant and I have neither time nor interest to verify them, especially when they are mixed with accusations of religious and/or other uninteresting nature and fake names.
You're wrong and I'm defending a genocide - in just too lazy to explain why, and your quotes from the leader of the country she leader of the military are irrelevant... Fake news.
You're applauding the genocide of a group of people because of their race and religion, and you don't understand why. You're both a useful idiot and a monstrous piece of shit, deserving of the type of treatment that you're wishing upon Palestinians.
I'm not applauding, it's only in your head. If hamas fought for freedom they'd do it in a way that would not lead to current events. Even still, they can stop what's happening by surrendering. I don't need to care about their religion to understand that their actions are idiotic and will not lead to what they claim they're fighting for.
The existence of Hamas isn't an excuse for the genocide of Palestine.
If Hamas all killed themselves publicly immediately, this wouldn't stop.
The Israeli government backed the rise of Hamas over moderate secular orgs - they've admitted to this. The Israeli government wants to commit a genocide in order to establish an ethnostate - they've admitted to this, and kill far more Palestinian civilians than Hamas - to say nothing of those they've forcefully displaced, and the rest that they confine to an open air concentration camp (which they're currently bombing). The Israeli government supported the Hamas terrorists, knowing they'd kill Israelis, creating the pretext for what they're now doing. This is monstrous.
It will, for the same reason why Israel couldn't do the genocide publicly without "creating the pretext" beforehand. Because somehow they feel satisfying public is imperative.
So they won't stop - they'll be stopped.
Israel, the dominant regional, nuclear power, have:
Established an apartheid state,
Confined their untermensch to concentration camps,
Promoted an openly hostile group to leadership of the untermensch, knowing hundreds/thousands would die, giving them an excuse to kill orders of magnitude more.
Restricted/cut water, food, power, trade and movement to the country-scale concentration camps.
Killed tens of thousands of civilians, injuring and displacing many more to advance a genocide to establish an ethnostate.
Will likely abandon democracy.
...and they won't stop until they're forced to.
Why are you defending this unambiguously monstrous behaviour
How much further would Israel need to go for you to condemn them
Why shouldn't the international community (i.e. The US) step in immediately?
Is there a meaningful distinction between Novemberpogrome-era (kristallnacht) Nazi Germany and Israel you can identify?
Why at some point you say Israel needs a public reason and very carefully constructed circumstances to start the invasion, but then say that Israel will not stop this invasion unless someone makes them? This absense of logic shows that your judgement is based on how you imagine a monster in your head, not on how real events play out.
If you allow yourself to assume I'm defending Israel, then I'm gonna assume you're defending monsters who were, by your own words, put in power by Israel, and then for years were bombing both Israel as Gaza with barely working missiles.
You refuse the idea of hamas being able to stop the invasion by surrendering, so I'm assuming those people are more important than the rest of Palestinians for you.
Why do you ask me to condemn something if, by your own words, only the US is able to stop Israel? I'm not the US and they will not listen to me.
Looking for confirmation of some magic connection between something and nazi Germany is useless and only serves your own satisfaction in placing a "bad" marker on a monster you imagined in your head. Feel free to do that without anyone's permission.
If Israel doesn't manufacture pretext, the US won't be able to support them, which will stop the UN security council vetoes, military and financial aid, the dampener on international condemnation, and likely trigger direct intervention to stop the genocide - as it is, Biden has taken a massive hit at the polls due to his support. This is very simple, straightforward logic where's the gap you're insisting exists?
What are you doing here if not defending Israel? I've given you ample opportunity to correct the record on this point, and you've consistently deflected to whining about the far lesser of two evils.
Yes - I'm defending the group I called monsters (and evil in the paragraph above). You're too stupid to sell these lies - don't bother.
You're going to need to explain your logic on this one. There's zero logical connection between those statements.
Because I'm underscoring the fact that you're defending a genocide. You've complained about Hamas - WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T YOU STOPPED THEM?
I've drawn a pretty clear comparison between the actions of Israel and one of the most uncontroversially evil groups in history (particularly to Israelis). I've invited you to point to a meaningful difference between one of the greatest evils in history and the group you're defending, and you've failed.
Give me a reason to think you're not defending a genocide rather than telling lies, pointing to fictional logic gaps and insisting I'm defending a group I'm actively condemning. It's reeeally simple "Israel are committing a genocide - a completely indefensible act, which should see their leadership tried in the Hague" or alternatively, "What Israel is doing is fine because..." - at which point I'll continue to ridicule you for your continued moronic, genocidal nonsense.
Over to you, Rudolph Jitler.
The gap is you thinking whatever they achieved with the "pretext" will not disappear with the last hamas members surrendering.
I'm merely pointing at elephants in the room. What hamas have been doing was a mistake and a lost opportunity for Palestinians.
Defending hamas you mean? Yes, I don't see why anyone would do that if not for the sake of hoping they would do more useless attacks, instead of doing something meaningful in current situation.
IDF: we need to kill hamas terrorists.
Hamas: gotta hide ourselves and let them kill Palestinians instead.
You: Israel wants to kill Palestinians, not hamas. Hamas better hide themselves.
Still not seeing it?
So this is why I haven't been seeing any discussion where people like you condemned hamas terrorists attacks in past years? Because by your logic you need to be able to do something to correct the situation in order to be allowed to condemn it? I see. But then not getting what are you trying to achieve here.
Let's start with the fact that nazi didn't need to construct the "pretext" that would rely on a group (that they've put in power) that would attack them with useless missiles. They've just attacked. Meaningful difference.