How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? "Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can't have it, better be dead too"?
"turns out the ukranians actually liked chernobyl, so much so that they're probably planning on doing it again!"
Don't underestimate Russias stupidity and sheer incompetence, they probably think the brainwashed masses in russia will believe them. We need a hard line to stop it, but, if russia wants their face kicked in by NATO for real, who am I to deny them. I hope for a crater where the Kremlin stands.
I don't think most of them believe the government media, they just go along with it. And the ones that are against it are already dead/in gulags/sent to Ukraine. That's what totalitarian states do.
Your guess is as good as mine. But if you have watched Russ TV, they aren't afraid of saying the most ridiculous things.
Though according to the article:
Renat Karchaa, an adviser to the head of Rosenergoatom, which operates Russia’s nuclear network, said Ukraine planned to drop ammunition laced with nuclear waste transported from another of the country’s five nuclear stations on the plant.
“Under cover of darkness overnight on 5 July the Ukrainian military will try to attack the Zaporizhzhia station using long-range precision equipment and kamikaze attack drones,” Russian news agencies quoted Karchaa as telling Russian television. He offered no evidence in support of the allegation."
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that?
Just see this comment section. "Ukranian artillery did it!"
Yes, but also "We need a status quo cease fire, clearly things are getting dangerous for everybody, let's all sit down at the bargaining table right now. Of course, in the meantime we keep our current territory and that is the starting point for negotiation, not any territory you might get in the next few months."
It's calling timeout, no tag backs when you're losing in tag. Or as putin calls it "escalate to de-escalate".
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame a completely baseless claim without any evidence and that make no sense, is that seriously the question you're asking here?
The Russians are not making it easy for themselves, aren't they?
Ah yeah, that totally looks like a reliable site that somebody without any brain damage would use as a source.
I don't need more evidence that your problem is with reading comprehension. This isn't a news source per se, this tells what the Russian state media reports about. It doesn't take much effort to corroborate that:
You haven't collaborated anything, and the fact that you think that's collaboration further underscores my point. How about we look at what IAEA, who actually have people on the ground, have to say
I think you should take a break, walk outside for a bit, and hop back with a clearer mind. Your are arguing about… I don't know what about.
Fact: Russian newspapers are announcing that an attack by Ukraine on the ZNPP is imminent. It doesn't matter whether you trust Ukraine's account of it, because this is literally in the Russian newspapers: https://www.rt.com/russia/579215-ukrainian-attack-nuclear-plant/
My question is: (what THIS thread is about) from the viewpoint of a Russian propagandist, how can they make this story seem credible, (or, IOW, what would Ukraine's motive be) considering that this would hurt Ukraine the most.
Next time you can use less of your condescending tone and more of your reading time to post on point.
I think you should take your own advice, also try working on your reading comprehension while you're at it given that your link says Russia is worried that Ukraine would cause a provocation.
From a view point of a sane person who isn't guzzling Ukrainian propaganda out of a firehouse, it's pretty obvious that the Ukrainian offensive is a giant failure. Even western media now admits this. NATO summit is happening in a week, and Ukraine is desperate to get NATO involved directly in the conflict.
It's also pretty clear that the puppet regime in Ukraine doesn't care one bit about hurting their own country. If they did, they would've taken the peace agreement they were offered back in March.
Dude, I've been super polite, factual, and thorough with you. The context is, a thread started off a (light/teasing) comment of mine. All replies in it where on topic and on a similar light tone except yours. I showed. I explained. I re-explained to you why what you said (no matter whether I agreed or not) is off track, but you keep charging with partisan arguments.
By all means, keep going with your crusade, but you are just talking to yourself at this point and demonstrating that you are giving very little consideration to other's opinions and messages. Your time would be better employed doing something else is what I think.
You haven't been factual. You've been linking to Ukrainian propaganda sites claiming that Russia is going to blow up a nuclear power plant that they controlled. Apparently, you're unable to see how absurd that is, and the fact hat IAEA says there's no actual evidence to substantiate these claims doesn't give you a pause either. Here you are claiming that it's actually me that's off track.
By all means, keep going with your crusade, but you are just talking to yourself at this point and demonstrating that you are giving very little consideration to other’s opinions and messages. Your time would be better employed doing something else is what I think.
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linked to rt.com , Russia's state propaganda
You haven’t been factual. You’ve been linking to Ukrainian propaganda sites
well, I must owe you a lot of respect, and an apology. You absolutely, totally, tricked me into feeding the troll and kept the joke going on and on. You Sir are an absolute master, and a madlad. Well Done!
Or you really are dumb like a box of rocks. But I want to forget this thread on a positive note.
The RT link doesn't support your thesis, and you know perfectly well that I was referring to this propaganda site you referenced. You Sir are an absolute master, and a madlad. Well Done!
The only one who is as dumb as a bag of rocks here is the one who can't even keep track of all the bullshit he's spewing. 🤡
You never know when to stop, do you ^^
The RT link doesn’t support your thesis
You cannot even say what my thesis is, because you keep shifting goal posts and writing only for yourself.
My thesis, which I wrote 12 messages up thread, is that it would be silly for Ukraine to strike itself because they have the most to lose, and if the Russian propaganda really is claiming that, good luck shaping up a cover story that makes sense. You keep saying "no, it's not true, the source is not valid, …", because you really miss the forest for the tree.
It is indisputable that Russian Times (RT) reported that Ukraine might soon attack their nuclear power plant: fact. And furthermore, when you read the article, the Russian propaganda makes no effort as to explain what would be Ukraine's motive in doing that, which brings us back to my thesis (aha): this whole episode is laughably amateurish.
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? "Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can't have it, better be dead too"?
"turns out the ukranians actually liked chernobyl, so much so that they're probably planning on doing it again!"
Don't underestimate Russias stupidity and sheer incompetence, they probably think the brainwashed masses in russia will believe them. We need a hard line to stop it, but, if russia wants their face kicked in by NATO for real, who am I to deny them. I hope for a crater where the Kremlin stands.
I don't think most of them believe the government media, they just go along with it. And the ones that are against it are already dead/in gulags/sent to Ukraine. That's what totalitarian states do.
Your guess is as good as mine. But if you have watched Russ TV, they aren't afraid of saying the most ridiculous things.
Though according to the article: Renat Karchaa, an adviser to the head of Rosenergoatom, which operates Russia’s nuclear network, said Ukraine planned to drop ammunition laced with nuclear waste transported from another of the country’s five nuclear stations on the plant.
“Under cover of darkness overnight on 5 July the Ukrainian military will try to attack the Zaporizhzhia station using long-range precision equipment and kamikaze attack drones,” Russian news agencies quoted Karchaa as telling Russian television. He offered no evidence in support of the allegation."
Just see this comment section. "Ukranian artillery did it!"
Yes, but also "We need a status quo cease fire, clearly things are getting dangerous for everybody, let's all sit down at the bargaining table right now. Of course, in the meantime we keep our current territory and that is the starting point for negotiation, not any territory you might get in the next few months."
It's calling timeout, no tag backs when you're losing in tag. Or as putin calls it "escalate to de-escalate".
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame a completely baseless claim without any evidence and that make no sense, is that seriously the question you're asking here?
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3731486-russians-spreading-fake-news-about-ukraines-alleged-plans-to-attack-znpp-with-drones-intel.html
The Russians are not making it easy for themselves, aren't they?
Ah yeah, that totally looks like a reliable site that somebody without any brain damage would use as a source.
I don't need more evidence that your problem is with reading comprehension. This isn't a news source per se, this tells what the Russian state media reports about. It doesn't take much effort to corroborate that:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/7/5/russia-ukraine-live-news-kyiv-attacks-russian-forces-in-donestsk
https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-suicide-drone-attacks-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power/
Speaking about brain damage.
You haven't collaborated anything, and the fact that you think that's collaboration further underscores my point. How about we look at what IAEA, who actually have people on the ground, have to say
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/the-interview/20230629-iaea-saw-no-evidence-moscow-planning-attack-on-zaporizhia-nuclear-plant-but-anything-can-happen
I think you should take a break, walk outside for a bit, and hop back with a clearer mind. Your are arguing about… I don't know what about.
Fact: Russian newspapers are announcing that an attack by Ukraine on the ZNPP is imminent. It doesn't matter whether you trust Ukraine's account of it, because this is literally in the Russian newspapers: https://www.rt.com/russia/579215-ukrainian-attack-nuclear-plant/
My question is: (what THIS thread is about) from the viewpoint of a Russian propagandist, how can they make this story seem credible, (or, IOW, what would Ukraine's motive be) considering that this would hurt Ukraine the most.
Next time you can use less of your condescending tone and more of your reading time to post on point.
I think you should take your own advice, also try working on your reading comprehension while you're at it given that your link says Russia is worried that Ukraine would cause a provocation.
From a view point of a sane person who isn't guzzling Ukrainian propaganda out of a firehouse, it's pretty obvious that the Ukrainian offensive is a giant failure. Even western media now admits this. NATO summit is happening in a week, and Ukraine is desperate to get NATO involved directly in the conflict.
It's also pretty clear that the puppet regime in Ukraine doesn't care one bit about hurting their own country. If they did, they would've taken the peace agreement they were offered back in March.
Dude, I've been super polite, factual, and thorough with you. The context is, a thread started off a (light/teasing) comment of mine. All replies in it where on topic and on a similar light tone except yours. I showed. I explained. I re-explained to you why what you said (no matter whether I agreed or not) is off track, but you keep charging with partisan arguments.
By all means, keep going with your crusade, but you are just talking to yourself at this point and demonstrating that you are giving very little consideration to other's opinions and messages. Your time would be better employed doing something else is what I think.
You haven't been factual. You've been linking to Ukrainian propaganda sites claiming that Russia is going to blow up a nuclear power plant that they controlled. Apparently, you're unable to see how absurd that is, and the fact hat IAEA says there's no actual evidence to substantiate these claims doesn't give you a pause either. Here you are claiming that it's actually me that's off track.
By all means, keep going with your crusade, but you are just talking to yourself at this point and demonstrating that you are giving very little consideration to other’s opinions and messages. Your time would be better employed doing something else is what I think.
Meta: Anyone who claims Lemmy can't replace Reddit should just read this entire thread. I nearly forgot where I was for a moment there...
Lemmy is the new and improved Reddit. More chaos and less moderation!
well, I must owe you a lot of respect, and an apology. You absolutely, totally, tricked me into feeding the troll and kept the joke going on and on. You Sir are an absolute master, and a madlad. Well Done!
Or you really are dumb like a box of rocks. But I want to forget this thread on a positive note.
The RT link doesn't support your thesis, and you know perfectly well that I was referring to this propaganda site you referenced. You Sir are an absolute master, and a madlad. Well Done!
The only one who is as dumb as a bag of rocks here is the one who can't even keep track of all the bullshit he's spewing. 🤡
You never know when to stop, do you ^^
You cannot even say what my thesis is, because you keep shifting goal posts and writing only for yourself.
My thesis, which I wrote 12 messages up thread, is that it would be silly for Ukraine to strike itself because they have the most to lose, and if the Russian propaganda really is claiming that, good luck shaping up a cover story that makes sense. You keep saying "no, it's not true, the source is not valid, …", because you really miss the forest for the tree.
It is indisputable that Russian Times (RT) reported that Ukraine might soon attack their nuclear power plant: fact. And furthermore, when you read the article, the Russian propaganda makes no effort as to explain what would be Ukraine's motive in doing that, which brings us back to my thesis (aha): this whole episode is laughably amateurish.