Kenneth Smith ‘struggled for life’ for 22 minutes in Alabama nitrogen gas execution: Updates

some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org to News@lemmy.world – 708 points –
Kenneth Smith ‘struggled for life’ for 22 minutes in nitrogen gas execution: Updates
independent.co.uk

“Kenny just began to gasp for air repeatedly and the execution took about 25 minutes total.”

Pretty compassionate way to kill a person.

Once again, the Law in the south is brutal.

548

You are viewing a single comment

They often don't. There are moderate risks with lethal injections, and even if you seem unconscious, it's still disputed whether you would really be unaware or not. As for the gas, suffocate in any manner is very painful and unpleasant.

Your suffocation reflex is driven by a buildup of carbon dioxide, not a lack of oxygen.

If you leave air composition the same but remove the oxygen, your body doesn't notice and you feel fine until you suddenly black out.

https://youtu.be/UN3W4d-5RPo?si=3LKw5fe1wXfRDcrB

The Air Force does training on it, since it can happen if the aircraft loses pressure and pilots need to know how to notice and handle it. As you can see in the above video, the pilot is not suffering even though the oxygen level has been cut quite drastically.

If you hold your breath you still build up CO2. You know, as a reaction to being killed.

So don't announce "alright, now!" to the victim. Wait until they're breathing normally and then silently switch over to nitrogen, he'll be unconscious before he realizes it.

And after a couple minutes at most you will reflexively take a breath or pass out and start breathing. In an inert atmosphere that first breath will knock you out almost immediately. After that you won't feel anything. After the individual is unconsious you just need to keep them in an inert gas for a few more minutes for them to actually die.

“Kenny just began to gasp for air repeatedly and the execution took about 25 minutes total.”

Even with a portion of that being 'just to make sure' his vital signs had stopped, it was certainly longer than a couple of minutes.

Because clearly they fucked something up. He was still getting oxygen somehow. I'm guessing they didn't have the nitrogen flow high enough so he was still getting some oxygen.

It could have also just been agonal gasping which can last over an hour even after the person is already dead. It's fairly common for people to see that and say the person is still breathing even though that person has already been dead for a while. It also happens with heart attacks and it frequently leads to ems having to explain to family members why there is no hope of resuscitation even though to them it looks like the person is still "breathing".

That's the crux of the whole "this was done very, very wrong" thing people have been saying.

You are not being “suffocated” in the sense that you aren’t allowed to breathe. I suggest you do some looking around and check out events where people have entered spaces that can have no/limited oxygen such as mines or anchor chain lockers on ships. They often simply drop unconscious and are dead fairly quickly. The victim isn’t re-breathing CO2, which is what gives us that panicked lack of air feeling, or someone holding something over your face making it difficult to breathe.

If you’ve ever had a medical procedure that puts you under, I can assure you there’s nothing remembered to be aware of.

Just like with anesthesia, all of the examples of people losing consciousness peacefully were either doing it voluntarily or unknowingly.