I've known Mozilla being great wouldn't last forever, and there it is. Someone from those companies at the helm? Here comes the enshitification.
Hard to say. You kind of want someone that was part of a successful product. And successful for-profit products are almost always menaces.
Yes, but hiring someone who's good at making for-profit "services" successful generally means you want your product to be for-profit.
And as you say, successful for-profit companies are often menaces.
Would you call any of those successful products 'good' tho? Yes they have made a lot of money but at the same time....2 of 3 are straight up evil. Ebay...eh. Could be worse. Thats the best I can say for them. Paypal has straight up stolen people's money on countless occasions and gotten away with it. Then there was that huge violin fiasco. Airbnb is flat out a part of destroying the housing market, they know this, they don't care.
I get it, most big companies are 'menaces' like you say but...these are absolutely horrible companies responsible for true evil and, odds are, he's going to bring that energy to Mozilla.
I don't really disagree, but what do you want as an organization, someone that built a "good" product that nobody ever used and fell into obscurity? Or someone that built a product that attracted and retained millions of users that you might consider "bad"? And tbh, most of the "bad" from these products is just because of their size and monopoly, which would arguably be a good problem to have for Mozilla.
Probably an easy choice if I was on the board.
Also, not that it matters to our discussion but just as a minor correction, the new CEO is a woman.
Airbnb actually provides a useful service, unlike PayPal which only extracts fees
Nestle provides a useful service, does that make their literal slave labor acceptable?
Didn't say that, I'm comparing companies that do nothing useful to companies that do something useful
Would you want Nestle to take over Mozilla then?
Never said that
No, but you are bringing up the merrits of an equally evil company and said thiet success is a sign of why they should be at the helm. I'm just trying to understand this.
Air bnb is not evil, it's people exchanging services for money. They just resolve disputes, show reviews, etc.
The difference with PayPal is that they are not in any business, so they can't necessarily resolve disputes other than relating to the payment itself. But the credit card issuer has exactly the same job, so PayPal is an extraneous intermediary
Air BNB is, knowingly, helping to destroy the housing market. It's so bad cities are talking about banning them because of how they are driving up prices.
Not building enough proprieties is destroying the housing market.
Even if you ban airbnb, it doesn't solve this fundamental issue. Stop blaming businesses for NIMBYs voting to stop housing development.
Giving an avenue for rich development companies to snatch up properties they can short-term rent to rich travelers is a useful service?
Because those companies can't go to booking.com if there's no airbnb?
Assuning thats normally for hotels and such, not as easily, no. AirBnB's specific purpose is to remove barriers of entry for hosting people in your property. Initially that meant renting one of your rooms to a traveler on the cheap. Now it means companies that would otherwise have to jump through tons of regulatory hoops to put their properties on booking sites.
Not to mention... even if its the same, then its the same and still not a useful service, yeah? It's just another booking service. Which, coincidentally, mostly extracts fees.
Airbnb is a social plague, its perpetrators should be in prison.
For what crime?
Large scale real estate without a license. Penalty : death in wood chipper, feet first.
We can version freeze forever.
Anything that won't work in 2023 firefox is probably trash anyway.
So you can't. There are cert stores, new protocols and ciphers, and eventually u patched zero days.
I know this because I've been playing with a g3 powerboat and all the browsers at this point are no longer maintained to support the above things as of last year. The last person working on it gave up
Not much of problem. Run in a VM, disable certificate validation. Html5 and javascript is still going to last a long long time. Anything that can't run with that is soydev shit and you don't need it.
Called palemoon, except version freeze is much older.
Anything else will goatsy your computer to all forms of zero days.
I've known Mozilla being great wouldn't last forever, and there it is. Someone from those companies at the helm? Here comes the enshitification.
Hard to say. You kind of want someone that was part of a successful product. And successful for-profit products are almost always menaces.
Yes, but hiring someone who's good at making for-profit "services" successful generally means you want your product to be for-profit.
And as you say, successful for-profit companies are often menaces.
Would you call any of those successful products 'good' tho? Yes they have made a lot of money but at the same time....2 of 3 are straight up evil. Ebay...eh. Could be worse. Thats the best I can say for them. Paypal has straight up stolen people's money on countless occasions and gotten away with it. Then there was that huge violin fiasco. Airbnb is flat out a part of destroying the housing market, they know this, they don't care.
I get it, most big companies are 'menaces' like you say but...these are absolutely horrible companies responsible for true evil and, odds are, he's going to bring that energy to Mozilla.
I don't really disagree, but what do you want as an organization, someone that built a "good" product that nobody ever used and fell into obscurity? Or someone that built a product that attracted and retained millions of users that you might consider "bad"? And tbh, most of the "bad" from these products is just because of their size and monopoly, which would arguably be a good problem to have for Mozilla.
Probably an easy choice if I was on the board.
Also, not that it matters to our discussion but just as a minor correction, the new CEO is a woman.
Airbnb actually provides a useful service, unlike PayPal which only extracts fees
Nestle provides a useful service, does that make their literal slave labor acceptable?
Didn't say that, I'm comparing companies that do nothing useful to companies that do something useful
Would you want Nestle to take over Mozilla then?
Never said that
No, but you are bringing up the merrits of an equally evil company and said thiet success is a sign of why they should be at the helm. I'm just trying to understand this.
Air bnb is not evil, it's people exchanging services for money. They just resolve disputes, show reviews, etc.
The difference with PayPal is that they are not in any business, so they can't necessarily resolve disputes other than relating to the payment itself. But the credit card issuer has exactly the same job, so PayPal is an extraneous intermediary
Air BNB is, knowingly, helping to destroy the housing market. It's so bad cities are talking about banning them because of how they are driving up prices.
Not building enough proprieties is destroying the housing market.
Even if you ban airbnb, it doesn't solve this fundamental issue. Stop blaming businesses for NIMBYs voting to stop housing development.
Giving an avenue for rich development companies to snatch up properties they can short-term rent to rich travelers is a useful service?
Because those companies can't go to booking.com if there's no airbnb?
Assuning thats normally for hotels and such, not as easily, no. AirBnB's specific purpose is to remove barriers of entry for hosting people in your property. Initially that meant renting one of your rooms to a traveler on the cheap. Now it means companies that would otherwise have to jump through tons of regulatory hoops to put their properties on booking sites.
Not to mention... even if its the same, then its the same and still not a useful service, yeah? It's just another booking service. Which, coincidentally, mostly extracts fees.
Airbnb is a social plague, its perpetrators should be in prison.
For what crime?
Large scale real estate without a license. Penalty : death in wood chipper, feet first.
We can version freeze forever. Anything that won't work in 2023 firefox is probably trash anyway.
So you can't. There are cert stores, new protocols and ciphers, and eventually u patched zero days.
I know this because I've been playing with a g3 powerboat and all the browsers at this point are no longer maintained to support the above things as of last year. The last person working on it gave up
Not much of problem. Run in a VM, disable certificate validation. Html5 and javascript is still going to last a long long time. Anything that can't run with that is soydev shit and you don't need it.
Called palemoon, except version freeze is much older.
Anything else will goatsy your computer to all forms of zero days.