Absolutely it’s very frustrating watching them try to do so much only to have it curtailed by a Republican majority Congress.
It was more frustrating two years ago when it was being curtailed by a Democratic majority congress.
Yeah well Dems stopping tax cuts for the rich don't hurt us as much as Reps trying to shut down the government because we refuse tax cuts for the rich but by all means "both sides"
Yeah well Dems stopping tax cuts for the rich don’t hurt us as much
Who said anything about them stopping tax cuts for the rich? I was talking about stuff Democrats did 2 years ago, like stopping the minimum wage increase and BBB. You know, their accomplishments.
How in the world can you contribute that to the Dems when they were split and Republicans almost unanimously voted against it.
If you're issue is that they should have all voted to push it through then absolutely I wish they would too and you should vote in a way that reinforces what you'd like to see.
That being said of our two options Dems support it the most. If your argument is that we should have more options to vote for what we really want then we agree again, we need voter reform to make 3rd options viable via multi-choice voting
How in the world can you contribute that to the Dems when they were split and Republicans almost unanimously voted against it.
BBB never made it to the floor, thanks to the only Democrat whose voice matters, Joe Manchin.
If you’re issue is that they should have all voted to push it through then absolutely I wish they would too
My issue is that the party is useless on purpose. Your issue is that I don't worship them for it.
I wish they would too and you should vote in a way that reinforces what you’d like to see.
There is no available way to vote that will ever reinforce what I'd like to see. Democrats oppose me less than Republicans do and that's the best they'll ever be willing to do.
Based insane take divorced from reality.
What in my reply made it seem like I worship them, they're the best we have and I long for better way but the only way we're going to get better is voteing reform on many levels.
Voting in fascists out of spite does no good.
And predictable as the dawn, there it is.
The assumption that anger at Democrats' deliberate uselessness means advocacy for voting for Republicans.
These people are just as blind as the fringe right conspiracist nutjobs. It's like they're arguing that McDonalds is better than Burger King because they only spit in your food 75% of the time rather than 95% of the time, while you're arguing that we shouldn't be eating at either of these restaurants to begin with. To top it all off they call you insane and a fascist for not agreeing with them.
This country is so fucked.
Centrist Democrats can't imagine that people who don't want any spit at all in their burgers actually exist.
But it does, due to the unfortunate way our voting system is structured until massive voting reform voting for anyone accept the big two is literally voting for the other. It sucks but unless we change it we have to live with that
What a convenient excuse to silence all criticism.
Nope, I'm very vocal about criticism and fixing it but the solution you suggest has already horribly backfired once but by all means shoot yourself in the foot again
the solution you suggest
What solution did I suggest?
Oh right. You don't care. You don't want to listen, just lecture.
I'll listen when you say something that isn't just deflection
There never was a Democratic majority congress. West Virginia and Arizona both sent senators who had a D next to their name, but were really Rs.
Not only that, but you need a super majority in the senate to get anything real through, which means you need 60+ Democrats who ALL need to be on board, along with a majority of Democrats in the House, AND a Democrat president.
That hasn't happened since early Obama, and he squandered it by trying to pass bipartisan legislation with the Republicans, instead of just railroading the right things through.
When was the last time Republicans held a majority like that and how is it that despite that majority, they still manage to pass all their vile legislation?
There never was a Democratic majority congress.
50 plus a tiebreaker is a majority. You lied.
West Virginia and Arizona both sent senators who had a D next to their name, but were really Rs.
West Virginia and Arizona sent senators who represent party leadership to absolute perfection. They define the party.
Not only that, but you need a super majority in the senate to get anything real through, which means you need 60+ Democrats who ALL need to be on board, along with a majority of Democrats in the House, AND a Democrat president.
The filibuster can be done away with forever with a simple majority. Manchin's party never will.
That hasn’t happened since early Obama, and he squandered it by trying to pass bipartisan legislation with the Republicans
He got the bailouts passed. Democrats could have destroyed the relic of Jim Crow that is the filibuster to pass the public option. But they didn't wanna.
It was more frustrating two years ago when it was being curtailed by a Democratic majority congress.
Yeah well Dems stopping tax cuts for the rich don't hurt us as much as Reps trying to shut down the government because we refuse tax cuts for the rich but by all means "both sides"
Who said anything about them stopping tax cuts for the rich? I was talking about stuff Democrats did 2 years ago, like stopping the minimum wage increase and BBB. You know, their accomplishments.
How in the world can you contribute that to the Dems when they were split and Republicans almost unanimously voted against it.
If you're issue is that they should have all voted to push it through then absolutely I wish they would too and you should vote in a way that reinforces what you'd like to see.
That being said of our two options Dems support it the most. If your argument is that we should have more options to vote for what we really want then we agree again, we need voter reform to make 3rd options viable via multi-choice voting
BBB never made it to the floor, thanks to the only Democrat whose voice matters, Joe Manchin.
My issue is that the party is useless on purpose. Your issue is that I don't worship them for it.
There is no available way to vote that will ever reinforce what I'd like to see. Democrats oppose me less than Republicans do and that's the best they'll ever be willing to do.
Based insane take divorced from reality.
What in my reply made it seem like I worship them, they're the best we have and I long for better way but the only way we're going to get better is voteing reform on many levels.
Voting in fascists out of spite does no good.
And predictable as the dawn, there it is.
The assumption that anger at Democrats' deliberate uselessness means advocacy for voting for Republicans.
These people are just as blind as the fringe right conspiracist nutjobs. It's like they're arguing that McDonalds is better than Burger King because they only spit in your food 75% of the time rather than 95% of the time, while you're arguing that we shouldn't be eating at either of these restaurants to begin with. To top it all off they call you insane and a fascist for not agreeing with them.
This country is so fucked.
Centrist Democrats can't imagine that people who don't want any spit at all in their burgers actually exist.
But it does, due to the unfortunate way our voting system is structured until massive voting reform voting for anyone accept the big two is literally voting for the other. It sucks but unless we change it we have to live with that
What a convenient excuse to silence all criticism.
Nope, I'm very vocal about criticism and fixing it but the solution you suggest has already horribly backfired once but by all means shoot yourself in the foot again
What solution did I suggest?
Oh right. You don't care. You don't want to listen, just lecture.
I'll listen when you say something that isn't just deflection
So what solution did I suggest?
the only people suggesting we should be voting in fascists are those who want trump or biden.
Equating those two absolutely smashes nuance. They aren't the same
Nobody said they are the same, but that doesn't mean they aren't both facists.
if I said they were both old men or politicians or obscenely wealthy, would you think I'm saying they are the same?
they can share traits without being the same.
Some Democrats want to be the same across as many issues as possible without being called the same.
There never was a Democratic majority congress. West Virginia and Arizona both sent senators who had a D next to their name, but were really Rs.
Not only that, but you need a super majority in the senate to get anything real through, which means you need 60+ Democrats who ALL need to be on board, along with a majority of Democrats in the House, AND a Democrat president.
That hasn't happened since early Obama, and he squandered it by trying to pass bipartisan legislation with the Republicans, instead of just railroading the right things through.
When was the last time Republicans held a majority like that and how is it that despite that majority, they still manage to pass all their vile legislation?
50 plus a tiebreaker is a majority. You lied.
West Virginia and Arizona sent senators who represent party leadership to absolute perfection. They define the party.
The filibuster can be done away with forever with a simple majority. Manchin's party never will.
He got the bailouts passed. Democrats could have destroyed the relic of Jim Crow that is the filibuster to pass the public option. But they didn't wanna.