There are plenty of cases where the police overreact or use excessive force entirely unjustified. There are even more cases when the police get shot at without any rhythm or reason.
There's a reason they're trained to open fire in uncertain situations. A split second decision might be the difference between them dying on the job and going back home to their families.
So, don't create those uncertain situations, unless getting shot is what you're looking for. If the police are banging on your door, they suspect that something is going on. Best you can do, is help them figure out the situation. The cops, however, are not psychic and don't know you and your intentions. So, if you have a gun, keep it in your holster or off yourself entirely. Identify yourself. Talk to them. Don't just walk out on them, gun in hand...
The slogan is 'to protect and serve,' not 'to be a coward and fire an entire clip before you can assess the situation.'
The slogan isn't "get shot and die, because you're too tough to shoot an armed person first" either.
Just imagine yourself in this situation: You're a cop. You're in front of a house that someone, reportedly, broke into. You bang on the door and identify yourself. Several seconds later, a person with gun walks out, not saying a word.
Even if you take a second to access the situation: there's a person, brandishing a weapon (which, in most cases, is a crime) walking out of a house that has been broken into. How does this come off as a safe or normal situation, exactly?
Several seconds later, a person with gun walks out, not saying a word.
That did not happen.
brandishing a weapon
Also did not happen. Holding a weapon is not brandishing it.
That did not happen.
There's a video. You can watch it.
Also did not happen. Holding a weapon is not brandishing it.
The definition of "brandishing" in holding or display a weapon in an intimidating or threatening manner. Substitute the cops with a pizza delivery person, for example, and I bet they'd feel pretty darn intimidated and/or threatened in this exact situation.
When you greet someone at your door, you keep your gun in your holster, just like you keep your dick in your pants. That's called common sense. If you don't have, you've only got yourself to blame.
I did watch it. She neither walked out nor did she hold the gun in a threatening manner. Those are simply untrue. She was inside. You can see she was inside. Even the article says she was walking to the door.
Pouncy's girlfriend told reporters Friday that she and Pouncy heard banging on the door and that Pouncy walked to the door with gun.
But please do show her outside, brandishing the gun. A timestamp on the video at the top of the article will be fine.
The cops are several yards to the right of the door. Last time I've checked, the cops didn't posses the ability to see through walls or behind corners.
Did you forget that you claimed that you could see on the video that she was outside her home and brandishing a weapon?
"Pouncy's girlfriend told reporters Friday that she and Pouncy heard banging on the door and that Pouncy walked to the door with gun."
It's not on the video, but it's confirmed that it has happened. Not everything has to be in one place.
Do you understand the difference between "walked to the door" and "walked out the door?"
You also claimed she was brandishing and not saying a word when she went outside.
So no, the video didn't confirm any of what you said.
To the door isn't outside it.
It's weird how the goalposts are running around.
Okay, fine. At the door. In direct line of sight. With a gun in hand. Because that changes everything.
This conversation isn't going anywhere. Look, if you think that walking up to cops with a gun in hand is good idea, more power to you. Have fun figuring out that actions have consequences.
Sorry, was this woman in her own apartment with her own gun?
They signed up to abuse power and be bullies not put their life on the line to protect people.
Clearly that's only reason police exist. No exceptions. They never do anything other than abuse power and shoot people for funzies. Not at all.
As we all know, the world is perfectly black and white. Assigning qualities to groups of people and, then, treating people in those groups as if all of them posses those same qualities is a perfect system with no flaws. AdolfSchmitler would know.
ACAB.
Okay, I officially feel like an idiot now.
This entire thread is like arguing with a dog regarding its barking. No matter how much thought and logic is thrown at it, the dog just wouldn't shut up, because it doesn't even comprehend what "an argument", "logic" and "reason" are.
Same here. You use logic and explain that the world is not perfectly black and white, in returns they yell "acab" just because they "feel" like it.
You're out here defending cops that shot a person dead in their own home. You're victim blaming by saying the victim shouldn't be legally carrying their firearm in their house. You should feel like an idiot, it just shouldn't have taken until now.
ACAB.
A person who grabbed a gun after the police knocked on the door and announced themselves.
Treat a firearm like you'd tread your dick. You keep the latter in your pants and the former in your holster. It's not illegal to hold your dick in your hand while your at home, but if you answer your while doing so, chances are, you're getting charged with indecent exposure. Makes sense, right?
Similarly, it's perfectly legal to carry or even flail around a gun while you're in your own home. But it can very easily turn into brandishing if you'd go to answer the door with one in hand. So here's a crazy idea: how about you don't? Particularly when you're answering the door to police, of all things, who you know are armed.
How about the cops don't murder people who aren't violating anything in their house? If they can't handle the pressure of talking to someone with a weapon, they shouldn't be cops. These two are worthless excuses for human trash.
You keep victim blaming. Everything they did was legal and should be expected as a possibility by the cops. Here's a hypothetical, what if a bad guy knocks on the door and claims to be the cops? The whole fucking point of the second amendment is to protect one's self. You act like someone couldn't pretend to be the police, or that the police have some extra special privilege that supercedes the freedoms of the people. Those to should rot for the rest of their miserable lives, but because the system is so fucked, they'll get lauded and probably promoted.
ACAB
Your "logic" and "reason" are trash and you are mad people are telling you as much. Dehumanizing people you disagree with too, not a good look for you
Being lectured for supposedly "dehumanizing people" by people who yell that "all cops are bastards"...
Maybe look in a mirror once in a while?
Yeah so the next time you get pulled over remember to reach for your registration real slow. Wouldn't want to make any uncertain situations by reaching for your glove box too fast. They aren't psychic after all you could have a revolver in there. Your family will take great solace in knowing that the internal investigation didn't find any wrong doing.
She literally grabbed a gun.
There's a difference between having a gun on yourself or in the vehicle when you're getting pulled over, and pulling one out and putting it in your hand.
When you see someone grab a gun, you don't assume they're going to scratch their back with it, do you? So, if you get pulled over and the first thing you do is grab a gun, you'll get lit up. Because you're an idiot.
There are plenty of cases where the police overreact or use excessive force entirely unjustified. There are even more cases when the police get shot at without any rhythm or reason.
There's a reason they're trained to open fire in uncertain situations. A split second decision might be the difference between them dying on the job and going back home to their families.
So, don't create those uncertain situations, unless getting shot is what you're looking for. If the police are banging on your door, they suspect that something is going on. Best you can do, is help them figure out the situation. The cops, however, are not psychic and don't know you and your intentions. So, if you have a gun, keep it in your holster or off yourself entirely. Identify yourself. Talk to them. Don't just walk out on them, gun in hand...
What the fuck ever.
Being a cop isn't even one of the top 25 most dangerous jobs in America and they get to have a gun and get away with shooting people.
The slogan is 'to protect and serve,' not 'to be a coward and fire an entire clip before you can assess the situation.'
The slogan isn't "get shot and die, because you're too tough to shoot an armed person first" either.
Just imagine yourself in this situation: You're a cop. You're in front of a house that someone, reportedly, broke into. You bang on the door and identify yourself. Several seconds later, a person with gun walks out, not saying a word.
Even if you take a second to access the situation: there's a person, brandishing a weapon (which, in most cases, is a crime) walking out of a house that has been broken into. How does this come off as a safe or normal situation, exactly?
That did not happen.
Also did not happen. Holding a weapon is not brandishing it.
There's a video. You can watch it.
The definition of "brandishing" in holding or display a weapon in an intimidating or threatening manner. Substitute the cops with a pizza delivery person, for example, and I bet they'd feel pretty darn intimidated and/or threatened in this exact situation.
When you greet someone at your door, you keep your gun in your holster, just like you keep your dick in your pants. That's called common sense. If you don't have, you've only got yourself to blame.
I did watch it. She neither walked out nor did she hold the gun in a threatening manner. Those are simply untrue. She was inside. You can see she was inside. Even the article says she was walking to the door.
But please do show her outside, brandishing the gun. A timestamp on the video at the top of the article will be fine.
The cops are several yards to the right of the door. Last time I've checked, the cops didn't posses the ability to see through walls or behind corners.
Did you forget that you claimed that you could see on the video that she was outside her home and brandishing a weapon?
"Pouncy's girlfriend told reporters Friday that she and Pouncy heard banging on the door and that Pouncy walked to the door with gun."
It's not on the video, but it's confirmed that it has happened. Not everything has to be in one place.
Do you understand the difference between "walked to the door" and "walked out the door?"
You also claimed she was brandishing and not saying a word when she went outside.
So no, the video didn't confirm any of what you said.
To the door isn't outside it.
It's weird how the goalposts are running around.
Okay, fine. At the door. In direct line of sight. With a gun in hand. Because that changes everything.
This conversation isn't going anywhere. Look, if you think that walking up to cops with a gun in hand is good idea, more power to you. Have fun figuring out that actions have consequences.
Sorry, was this woman in her own apartment with her own gun?
They signed up to abuse power and be bullies not put their life on the line to protect people.
Clearly that's only reason police exist. No exceptions. They never do anything other than abuse power and shoot people for funzies. Not at all.
As we all know, the world is perfectly black and white. Assigning qualities to groups of people and, then, treating people in those groups as if all of them posses those same qualities is a perfect system with no flaws. AdolfSchmitler would know.
ACAB.
Okay, I officially feel like an idiot now.
This entire thread is like arguing with a dog regarding its barking. No matter how much thought and logic is thrown at it, the dog just wouldn't shut up, because it doesn't even comprehend what "an argument", "logic" and "reason" are.
Same here. You use logic and explain that the world is not perfectly black and white, in returns they yell "acab" just because they "feel" like it.
You're out here defending cops that shot a person dead in their own home. You're victim blaming by saying the victim shouldn't be legally carrying their firearm in their house. You should feel like an idiot, it just shouldn't have taken until now.
ACAB.
A person who grabbed a gun after the police knocked on the door and announced themselves.
Treat a firearm like you'd tread your dick. You keep the latter in your pants and the former in your holster. It's not illegal to hold your dick in your hand while your at home, but if you answer your while doing so, chances are, you're getting charged with indecent exposure. Makes sense, right?
Similarly, it's perfectly legal to carry or even flail around a gun while you're in your own home. But it can very easily turn into brandishing if you'd go to answer the door with one in hand. So here's a crazy idea: how about you don't? Particularly when you're answering the door to police, of all things, who you know are armed.
How about the cops don't murder people who aren't violating anything in their house? If they can't handle the pressure of talking to someone with a weapon, they shouldn't be cops. These two are worthless excuses for human trash.
You keep victim blaming. Everything they did was legal and should be expected as a possibility by the cops. Here's a hypothetical, what if a bad guy knocks on the door and claims to be the cops? The whole fucking point of the second amendment is to protect one's self. You act like someone couldn't pretend to be the police, or that the police have some extra special privilege that supercedes the freedoms of the people. Those to should rot for the rest of their miserable lives, but because the system is so fucked, they'll get lauded and probably promoted.
ACAB
Your "logic" and "reason" are trash and you are mad people are telling you as much. Dehumanizing people you disagree with too, not a good look for you
Being lectured for supposedly "dehumanizing people" by people who yell that "all cops are bastards"...
Maybe look in a mirror once in a while?
Yeah so the next time you get pulled over remember to reach for your registration real slow. Wouldn't want to make any uncertain situations by reaching for your glove box too fast. They aren't psychic after all you could have a revolver in there. Your family will take great solace in knowing that the internal investigation didn't find any wrong doing.
She literally grabbed a gun.
There's a difference between having a gun on yourself or in the vehicle when you're getting pulled over, and pulling one out and putting it in your hand.
When you see someone grab a gun, you don't assume they're going to scratch their back with it, do you? So, if you get pulled over and the first thing you do is grab a gun, you'll get lit up. Because you're an idiot.