The problem with mob justice is lack of due process. It frequency gets the wrong person as it can't be reasoned with.
The problem with mob justice is that it can be leveraged directly in to fascism. This is exactly what happened with the French Revolution and the Soviet one. In both cases valid anger against oppression was directed in to paranoia that allowed for the reestablishment of an authoritarian order instead of liberation. Anger is foolish and easily manipulated. That's why it's the only emotion the right wants anyone to experience. That's why it's the only emotion patriarchy allows men to express.
Anger is good for destroying things. Some things need to be destroyed. But those things that need to be destroyed are systems, not people.
Anger is activating and should absolutely drive you to action, but the action you take shouldn't also be decided by the anger. Let anger wake you up, and compassion guide the action you take.
History repeats itself, at least most of the time. That's why we should learn from the past because humans haven't changed that much in the way we think under certain circumstances.
No, I'm sorry, if a person was bullied for a year, that was the time for "due process" to protect them and society by preventing further harm. Now it is too late.
They caused someone to die by their violent actions, I am fully in favor of violent retaliation here, and as I said not looking to be convinced otherwise.
There are some things our society gets right, and some things it gets wrong. Passivity in the face of violence is a mistake IMO.
It's never too late for justice to be done. Though more of it has to done the later it is left. No one is talking passivity here. Everyone wants something done this time and done sooner next time.
Mob justice is not justice at all.
Edit: english
Yes it is
Anarchy doesn't work.
Anarchy was never mentioned.
That is mob rule. It's not the rule of law.
That is not what mob rule is, and this literally has nothing to do with government
Mob rule is the breakdown of law and order. Which a failing of governance.
You mean like we have now with psychotic and treasonous christofascists trying to destroy freedom while you complain about "law and order"?
You have never existed in the real world, buddy
Freedom doesn't exist without law and order. Mobs lynch wrong people as often as not. It's why the legal system should be above politics. It amazes me America has politically appointed judges. The judiciary should be separate from, and independent of, the government. If the legal system doesn't work, law and order can break down and you get anarchy.
Hey you're starting to get it!
Then as long as we agree anarchy is bad we basically are agreeing.
Yeah, and if you remove justice by due process by installing fascist bigots in all positions of the judicial system, then all you're left with is mob justice. And we ought to be angry about that too.
The problem with mob justice is lack of due process. It frequency gets the wrong person as it can't be reasoned with.
The problem with mob justice is that it can be leveraged directly in to fascism. This is exactly what happened with the French Revolution and the Soviet one. In both cases valid anger against oppression was directed in to paranoia that allowed for the reestablishment of an authoritarian order instead of liberation. Anger is foolish and easily manipulated. That's why it's the only emotion the right wants anyone to experience. That's why it's the only emotion patriarchy allows men to express.
Anger is good for destroying things. Some things need to be destroyed. But those things that need to be destroyed are systems, not people.
Anger is activating and should absolutely drive you to action, but the action you take shouldn't also be decided by the anger. Let anger wake you up, and compassion guide the action you take.
History repeats itself, at least most of the time. That's why we should learn from the past because humans haven't changed that much in the way we think under certain circumstances.
No, I'm sorry, if a person was bullied for a year, that was the time for "due process" to protect them and society by preventing further harm. Now it is too late.
They caused someone to die by their violent actions, I am fully in favor of violent retaliation here, and as I said not looking to be convinced otherwise.
There are some things our society gets right, and some things it gets wrong. Passivity in the face of violence is a mistake IMO.
It's never too late for justice to be done. Though more of it has to done the later it is left. No one is talking passivity here. Everyone wants something done this time and done sooner next time.
Mob justice is not justice at all.
Edit: english
Yes it is
Anarchy doesn't work.
Anarchy was never mentioned.
That is mob rule. It's not the rule of law.
That is not what mob rule is, and this literally has nothing to do with government
Mob rule is the breakdown of law and order. Which a failing of governance.
You mean like we have now with psychotic and treasonous christofascists trying to destroy freedom while you complain about "law and order"?
You have never existed in the real world, buddy
Freedom doesn't exist without law and order. Mobs lynch wrong people as often as not. It's why the legal system should be above politics. It amazes me America has politically appointed judges. The judiciary should be separate from, and independent of, the government. If the legal system doesn't work, law and order can break down and you get anarchy.
Hey you're starting to get it!
Then as long as we agree anarchy is bad we basically are agreeing.
Yeah, and if you remove justice by due process by installing fascist bigots in all positions of the judicial system, then all you're left with is mob justice. And we ought to be angry about that too.