Game of Thrones, everyone is basically a villain but some of them are actually alright (like the Hound and Jamie).
I think Jaime becomes a good guy. He starts out as a bad guy but he had a redemption arc.
He starts out as a nepo-baby and then has to actually do shit throughout the show.
Stannis was right but an asshole.
Ned was right but an idiot. As were Robb and John.
Sandor had a decent conscience he never fucking listened to.
Brienne always listened to hers and never made a good decision.
Jaime was only an anti-hero.
Mance... probably could've left out the cannibals.
Robb was such a fucking idiot... political marriages are a thing and affairs are so common that each region has a specific name for bastards. The series running up to the red wedding read like a Greek tragedy - just one person having a modicum of sense would've derailed the whole thing. Lust let loose.
Stannis was wrong first. He was bitter that he was passed over and could never resolve that - if he had he'd be living on easy street. Stubborn fucking pride.
My favorite part about aGoT is just how fucking obviously everyone gets fucked over by their flaws... the only real exception here is Jamie and Sansa - Jamie owes a karmic debt and Sansa was legitimately just "wrong place wrong timed"
Sansa wanted a fairy-tale life and GRRM asked, "Have you read many fairy tales?"
Did they make Jamie less of a tool in the show or something? Cause in the books he basically just goes back to doing what he was doing before, minus one hand and plus lots of moping.
Yes, very significantly. Jamie in the show introspected on the person he used to be and clearly grew. I think books Jamie was meant to feel the same way but got less focus to demonstrate that growth.
They did for a long time, having him gradually come around and begin to redeem himself, and then made an incredibly confusing decision to have him suddenly revert to his old ways right at the very end with no warning whatsoever
Jamie pushed a kid to his death (edit: who miraculously survives to tee up a tone deaf depiction of a character with disabilities but that’s not important right now) and raped his sister over the corpse of their dead child.
Game of Thrones, everyone is basically a villain but some of them are actually alright (like the Hound and Jamie).
I think Jaime becomes a good guy. He starts out as a bad guy but he had a redemption arc.
He starts out as a nepo-baby and then has to actually do shit throughout the show.
Stannis was right but an asshole.
Ned was right but an idiot. As were Robb and John.
Sandor had a decent conscience he never fucking listened to.
Brienne always listened to hers and never made a good decision.
Jaime was only an anti-hero.
Mance... probably could've left out the cannibals.
Robb was such a fucking idiot... political marriages are a thing and affairs are so common that each region has a specific name for bastards. The series running up to the red wedding read like a Greek tragedy - just one person having a modicum of sense would've derailed the whole thing. Lust let loose.
Stannis was wrong first. He was bitter that he was passed over and could never resolve that - if he had he'd be living on easy street. Stubborn fucking pride.
My favorite part about aGoT is just how fucking obviously everyone gets fucked over by their flaws... the only real exception here is Jamie and Sansa - Jamie owes a karmic debt and Sansa was legitimately just "wrong place wrong timed"
Sansa wanted a fairy-tale life and GRRM asked, "Have you read many fairy tales?"
Did they make Jamie less of a tool in the show or something? Cause in the books he basically just goes back to doing what he was doing before, minus one hand and plus lots of moping.
Yes, very significantly. Jamie in the show introspected on the person he used to be and clearly grew. I think books Jamie was meant to feel the same way but got less focus to demonstrate that growth.
They did for a long time, having him gradually come around and begin to redeem himself, and then made an incredibly confusing decision to have him suddenly revert to his old ways right at the very end with no warning whatsoever
Jamie pushed a kid to his death (edit: who miraculously survives to tee up a tone deaf depiction of a character with disabilities but that’s not important right now) and raped his sister over the corpse of their dead child.