We are an entire cultural shift away from rule following and shit giving, to a movement of non-compliant Boaty McBoat Faces who will happily bring the whole system down on top of ourselves.
We don’t even need a cause. We would literally bring this down for a meme.
We'd bring this down just because we already dropped 68 others and need one more to complete the set.
I doubt he really cares. this whole thing looks like "maintain a minimum viable product" until IPO.
he just wants to get paid, I cannot imagine he will care if reddit burns to the ground after the check clears.
This is exactly what I think. He doesn't care if everything goes to shit, he's not going to give in.
I don't like spez as much as the next guy but I don't think this is true, as CEO of a pre IPO start up a significant part of his compensation would be equity/equity options etc so he probably cares a bit more than after the check clears
If only that was still true. Internet users used to be a niche counter-culture. Now they're just normal people.
Normies have ruined our Internet! :(
Imagine having that much money and refusing to pay attention.
Yes he's burning his platform down
Ya that's why both the moderator teams mentioned in the article quietly relented and removed the NSFW designation and the situation on reddit is more or less back to normal.
This isn’t over by a long stretch, dude. There will be guerrilla shit going on for a long time. Mods who have returned are already half-assing their jobs, people are demanding pay, and the user base is fractured.
Plus, this isn’t the end of Reddit’s bullshit. They’ll keep pumping out more ads and making more unpopular changes. Name the last big company that ever said, “Okay, that’s enough money made. We can go back to good service and a reliable product now.”
Reddit traffic dropped by about 3%
That's gonna be about the extent of what we're gonna see. The situation has more or less normalized on reddit and the admins are tying up the largest loose ends - like /r/pics or /r/military
Posting pictures of Jon Oliver reddit couldn't care less about. Setting the sub to NSFW is what hurts them, and it seems like subs are finally switching back on threat of mod removals.
Will reddit continue going to shit? Absolutely. It's entered that phase of enshittification and crossed its own Rubicon.
But behemoths take time to die. The redditor userbase has gotten fatigued and until reddit makes their next shitty decision I think things will be more or less back to status quo - minus the users that left.
Reddit traffic dropped by about 3%
That was in June, before the third-party apps stopped working. Numbers for July aren't in yet.
The 3% figure was just month over month from May to June.
I read that article. It was very misleading. You took the bait.
Are the numbers false? I saw a previous measure on an article that was around 3% as well.
Obviously we don't know the traffic chance since July 1st but the announcement to kill API was made in May. Presumably there would have been an impact because of the changes that contributed to the 3%.
No just misleading.
First because it's web traffic, not all traffic. And the big loss for reddit is their 3rd party app users, which are not included in that figure.
Second, Reddit didn't take a big hit in the window they discussed. The downard spiral began as a warning shot for two days on June 12th.
The real damage Reddit dies to themselves began July 1st.
I'd rather see April vs September numbers. And have it be measuring engagement. How many submissions, comments, etc.
But even then, reddit is losing 3rd party bot detection, and gaining bots. So it's a lot harder to measure than the article suggests.
Good points. I'm curious to see how the situation develops going forward. Social media websites are quite chaotic at the moment. Reddit is playing with fire, just like Elon with Twitter
The apps didn’t shut down until June 30 or July 1.
Second, 99% of Reddit users don’t post content, and the power users were pretty upset and many left. Reddit May keep chugging along for a bit but content will get stale. It won’t turn into 9gag overnight but over a few weeks you’ll see a change.
I don't know that they're false, but they're misleading. Not only was it traffic for June, but the thing Spez will care about is advertising dollars - and as others have said, the more communities are flagged NSFW, the fewer ad spaces can be sold.
Spez is out of touch.
He’s forgotten what internet users are.
We are an entire cultural shift away from rule following and shit giving, to a movement of non-compliant Boaty McBoat Faces who will happily bring the whole system down on top of ourselves.
We don’t even need a cause. We would literally bring this down for a meme.
We'd bring this down just because we already dropped 68 others and need one more to complete the set.
I doubt he really cares. this whole thing looks like "maintain a minimum viable product" until IPO.
he just wants to get paid, I cannot imagine he will care if reddit burns to the ground after the check clears.
This is exactly what I think. He doesn't care if everything goes to shit, he's not going to give in.
I don't like spez as much as the next guy but I don't think this is true, as CEO of a pre IPO start up a significant part of his compensation would be equity/equity options etc so he probably cares a bit more than after the check clears
If only that was still true. Internet users used to be a niche counter-culture. Now they're just normal people.
Normies have ruined our Internet! :(
Imagine having that much money and refusing to pay attention.
Yes he's burning his platform down
Ya that's why both the moderator teams mentioned in the article quietly relented and removed the NSFW designation and the situation on reddit is more or less back to normal.
This isn’t over by a long stretch, dude. There will be guerrilla shit going on for a long time. Mods who have returned are already half-assing their jobs, people are demanding pay, and the user base is fractured.
Plus, this isn’t the end of Reddit’s bullshit. They’ll keep pumping out more ads and making more unpopular changes. Name the last big company that ever said, “Okay, that’s enough money made. We can go back to good service and a reliable product now.”
Reddit traffic dropped by about 3%
That's gonna be about the extent of what we're gonna see. The situation has more or less normalized on reddit and the admins are tying up the largest loose ends - like /r/pics or /r/military
Posting pictures of Jon Oliver reddit couldn't care less about. Setting the sub to NSFW is what hurts them, and it seems like subs are finally switching back on threat of mod removals.
Will reddit continue going to shit? Absolutely. It's entered that phase of enshittification and crossed its own Rubicon.
But behemoths take time to die. The redditor userbase has gotten fatigued and until reddit makes their next shitty decision I think things will be more or less back to status quo - minus the users that left.
That was in June, before the third-party apps stopped working. Numbers for July aren't in yet.
The 3% figure was just month over month from May to June.
I read that article. It was very misleading. You took the bait.
Are the numbers false? I saw a previous measure on an article that was around 3% as well.
Obviously we don't know the traffic chance since July 1st but the announcement to kill API was made in May. Presumably there would have been an impact because of the changes that contributed to the 3%.
No just misleading.
First because it's web traffic, not all traffic. And the big loss for reddit is their 3rd party app users, which are not included in that figure.
Second, Reddit didn't take a big hit in the window they discussed. The downard spiral began as a warning shot for two days on June 12th.
The real damage Reddit dies to themselves began July 1st.
I'd rather see April vs September numbers. And have it be measuring engagement. How many submissions, comments, etc.
But even then, reddit is losing 3rd party bot detection, and gaining bots. So it's a lot harder to measure than the article suggests.
Good points. I'm curious to see how the situation develops going forward. Social media websites are quite chaotic at the moment. Reddit is playing with fire, just like Elon with Twitter
The apps didn’t shut down until June 30 or July 1.
Second, 99% of Reddit users don’t post content, and the power users were pretty upset and many left. Reddit May keep chugging along for a bit but content will get stale. It won’t turn into 9gag overnight but over a few weeks you’ll see a change.
I don't know that they're false, but they're misleading. Not only was it traffic for June, but the thing Spez will care about is advertising dollars - and as others have said, the more communities are flagged NSFW, the fewer ad spaces can be sold.