My concern with this (and other attempts like it) is that the initial integration will of course be done with good intentions by a team who shares the values of the community. And then they will get promotions or move to other jobs within two years and leave the technology to whims of revenue-generating part of the organization who will be merciless with it.
In terms of damage to the community, it'll be impossible to talk to the people you want to with ten thousand spamming robots separating you.
Is there a real problem there? One can always find an instance not federated with Meta.
My concern is that the toxic culture from Meta's platforms will be imported here, and the only way to get away from it would be to not only defederate from Meta but to defederate from anything federated to Meta (essentially creating two fediverses). I hope it doesn't come to that, but that's my worry.
In which case you essentially return to the status quo right now, where the Fediverse is a small group of somewhat-ideological tech enthusiasts.
There's a good argument for keeping it small and focused. Massive all-encompassing social networks are relatively new and not a good thing in my opinion.
and I like it exactly like that. The lemmyverse at least feels big enough
Replace "Meta" with "Hexbear", "Lemmygrad", "Lemmy World", etc., and see how the multiple fediverses are working right now.
It's definitely a nicer experience around here if you block certain instances, I won't mention names myself. The difference is that Meta's instance is big enough to completely drown out everyone else which can't be said about the above.
Can't drown out anyone who doesn't federate. The names are examples of shards of the current state of the fediverse; there was a website with a federation graph, that made it more visually clear; we are experiencing a "fragmented" fediverse right now, and it's a feature not a bug.
Yeah but, we did already. Right here. I'm assuming that if you're already a fediverse user, it's because you left behind facebook, twitter, and the rest. They're following us and the expectation is just that we'll keep moving as they make the next thing shitty?
Yup, me on the fedi running away from big tech platforms, now meta stalking us even here bro wtf
Right now, sure. Will that always be the case?
Well, at least we've moved from "Meta is Satan! Defederate!!1!" to "They may mean well now but they'll turn evil later."
Well, at least we've moved from "Meta is Satan! Defederate!!1!"
No we haven't. I never stopped screaming that.
I scream it now. Fuck Meta.
We who? Speak for yourself please
I think it will be very easy to find a host that federated from them, making it easy to mitigate the damage.
By moving to fediverse, we already left them behind. We're being followed.
My concern with this (and other attempts like it) is that the initial integration will of course be done with good intentions by a team who shares the values of the community. And then they will get promotions or move to other jobs within two years and leave the technology to whims of revenue-generating part of the organization who will be merciless with it.
In terms of damage to the community, it'll be impossible to talk to the people you want to with ten thousand spamming robots separating you.
Is there a real problem there? One can always find an instance not federated with Meta.
My concern is that the toxic culture from Meta's platforms will be imported here, and the only way to get away from it would be to not only defederate from Meta but to defederate from anything federated to Meta (essentially creating two fediverses). I hope it doesn't come to that, but that's my worry.
In which case you essentially return to the status quo right now, where the Fediverse is a small group of somewhat-ideological tech enthusiasts.
There's a good argument for keeping it small and focused. Massive all-encompassing social networks are relatively new and not a good thing in my opinion.
and I like it exactly like that. The lemmyverse at least feels big enough
Replace "Meta" with "Hexbear", "Lemmygrad", "Lemmy World", etc., and see how the multiple fediverses are working right now.
It's definitely a nicer experience around here if you block certain instances, I won't mention names myself. The difference is that Meta's instance is big enough to completely drown out everyone else which can't be said about the above.
Can't drown out anyone who doesn't federate. The names are examples of shards of the current state of the fediverse; there was a website with a federation graph, that made it more visually clear; we are experiencing a "fragmented" fediverse right now, and it's a feature not a bug.
Yeah but, we did already. Right here. I'm assuming that if you're already a fediverse user, it's because you left behind facebook, twitter, and the rest. They're following us and the expectation is just that we'll keep moving as they make the next thing shitty?
Yup, me on the fedi running away from big tech platforms, now meta stalking us even here bro wtf
Right now, sure. Will that always be the case?
Well, at least we've moved from "Meta is Satan! Defederate!!1!" to "They may mean well now but they'll turn evil later."
No we haven't. I never stopped screaming that.
I scream it now. Fuck Meta.
We who? Speak for yourself please
I think it will be very easy to find a host that federated from them, making it easy to mitigate the damage.
By moving to fediverse, we already left them behind. We're being followed.