Isn't that the point of the good bike lock? To prevent stealing even a good, new bike?
They don't make bike locks good enough to stop an angle grinder
I usually park my good bike with my good, strong lock in very public places so an angle grinder would probably cause someone to call the police, lol. But even so, an angle grinder would have to put itself to work on my lock. I had to get that lock, otherwise an insurance claim would be invalid in case the bike was stolen. Or so the bike store sales woman told me. 😬
This was my logic as well. Bike got taken off from the front of a busy shopping centre, and nobody had bothered to get involved.
My roommate got his bike stolen in front of a busy café. When he arrived people showed him where the thief went.
It took a good minute for the thief to break through the lock in front a busy cafe and no one bats an eye.
If it's a good bike, then someone might put in the effort to steal it. If it's crap, they are more likely to steal the lock.
This invokes an image of someone going through the trouble of cutting your bike and the bike rack in half just to steal the lock, which I find very amusing.
then getting it rekeyed lol
locks don't keep people from stealing, they only slow them.
I don't think that's true lol. But sure, some people will do anything they can in desperation. Surely it's a spectrum of necessity.
if locks kept people out, there would be almost no theft, like 90% reduction. if someone wants in, they're getting in.
You are generalizing but I understand what you're trying to say. Locks aren't magical or anything, it's just metal, right? But they work pretty well. Anybody could be tempted to take a bike if it's just sitting there unlocked. Anybody.
But locked bikes are stolen much less than unlocked bikes, so locks work. Locks do keep people out. 🙂↕️
Locks discourage theives, but don't actually stop them. They can break your lock; the lock only helps if it makes it more effort than it's worth, usually by making easier to go steal the one further down the rack that has no lock, or a less secure lock.
But there are two halves to the equation: the difficulty of breaking the lock, and the value of the item that's locked up. The more valuable the locked item is, the more effort is worthwhile. Thus, a rusty bike with a good lock is less likely to be stolen than a fancy new bike with a good lock
Locks discourage theives, but don't actually stop them.
A discouraged thief is a stopped thief in my book. 🤷♂️
And here we arrive to the point of the original post. Value of the bike vs. Risk involved in retrieving it. A POS bike with a moderately good lock is far less likely to get stolen than a Canyon 7K e-bike with a lock that you can saw through in 3-4 minutes with a Li-ion battery powered angle grinder.
🤷♂️
I think the point I'm trying to make is a good enough lock should prevent the theft. Unless the value is absolutely ridiculous. But of course if you can drag the slider of value infinitely high then yes, correct. But then I can also drag the slider of strong lock infinitely high.
Battery operated angle grinders have removed the effectiveness of just about any lock. The idea is to be a less attractive target. Will someone risk getting beat up or arrested for a beater bike? How about an obviously expensive bike? The effort and potential punishment is the same, but one has a much high potential for reward. Even if they don't take the whole bike, do you have expensive rims, etc?
A bike not worth stealing can still be all you need it to be, but not what someone else would take a risk for.
I guess I live in a place in the world where it isn't such a big problem. I mean, bikes are stolen all the time here, but I park my bike in public places so that it won't get stolen. I have a very big lock as well so even an angle grinder would have to go for a while, enough for people to wonder and maybe call the police.
Isn't that the point of the good bike lock? To prevent stealing even a good, new bike?
They don't make bike locks good enough to stop an angle grinder
I usually park my good bike with my good, strong lock in very public places so an angle grinder would probably cause someone to call the police, lol. But even so, an angle grinder would have to put itself to work on my lock. I had to get that lock, otherwise an insurance claim would be invalid in case the bike was stolen. Or so the bike store sales woman told me. 😬
This was my logic as well. Bike got taken off from the front of a busy shopping centre, and nobody had bothered to get involved.
My roommate got his bike stolen in front of a busy café. When he arrived people showed him where the thief went.
It took a good minute for the thief to break through the lock in front a busy cafe and no one bats an eye.
If it's a good bike, then someone might put in the effort to steal it. If it's crap, they are more likely to steal the lock.
This invokes an image of someone going through the trouble of cutting your bike and the bike rack in half just to steal the lock, which I find very amusing.
then getting it rekeyed lol
locks don't keep people from stealing, they only slow them.
I don't think that's true lol. But sure, some people will do anything they can in desperation. Surely it's a spectrum of necessity.
if locks kept people out, there would be almost no theft, like 90% reduction. if someone wants in, they're getting in.
You are generalizing but I understand what you're trying to say. Locks aren't magical or anything, it's just metal, right? But they work pretty well. Anybody could be tempted to take a bike if it's just sitting there unlocked. Anybody.
But locked bikes are stolen much less than unlocked bikes, so locks work. Locks do keep people out. 🙂↕️
Locks discourage theives, but don't actually stop them. They can break your lock; the lock only helps if it makes it more effort than it's worth, usually by making easier to go steal the one further down the rack that has no lock, or a less secure lock.
But there are two halves to the equation: the difficulty of breaking the lock, and the value of the item that's locked up. The more valuable the locked item is, the more effort is worthwhile. Thus, a rusty bike with a good lock is less likely to be stolen than a fancy new bike with a good lock
A discouraged thief is a stopped thief in my book. 🤷♂️
And here we arrive to the point of the original post. Value of the bike vs. Risk involved in retrieving it. A POS bike with a moderately good lock is far less likely to get stolen than a Canyon 7K e-bike with a lock that you can saw through in 3-4 minutes with a Li-ion battery powered angle grinder.
🤷♂️
I think the point I'm trying to make is a good enough lock should prevent the theft. Unless the value is absolutely ridiculous. But of course if you can drag the slider of value infinitely high then yes, correct. But then I can also drag the slider of strong lock infinitely high.
Battery operated angle grinders have removed the effectiveness of just about any lock. The idea is to be a less attractive target. Will someone risk getting beat up or arrested for a beater bike? How about an obviously expensive bike? The effort and potential punishment is the same, but one has a much high potential for reward. Even if they don't take the whole bike, do you have expensive rims, etc?
A bike not worth stealing can still be all you need it to be, but not what someone else would take a risk for.
I guess I live in a place in the world where it isn't such a big problem. I mean, bikes are stolen all the time here, but I park my bike in public places so that it won't get stolen. I have a very big lock as well so even an angle grinder would have to go for a while, enough for people to wonder and maybe call the police.