Feel free to watch the Kevin OLeary guy talk about it too, he is a non partisan real estate person
Right, I'm sure some rich asshole (the one that makes other rich assholes say "what an asshole" if you've ever watched shark tank) is completely neutral in his stance that "rich assholes can say whatever they want and it's totally legal."
not a government official with an agenda
Also not a lawyer. Nor an American as far as I'm aware. So I don't know why I would trust him to be an expert on the American Legal system instead of, say, the judge on the case who has thoroughly reviewed all the evidence.
Billionaires are not your friend. You don't have to defend them I would strongly suggest not taking advice from them.
if you have a direct question about the case I can answer that,
Okay: What are the specific laws Trump was found guilty of breaking, why do they not apply in this case, and how were they misinterpreted to get the guilty verdict?
Gotcha dont trust a rich guy but trust the government...
The crime was probably called "Fraud", and again, he did nothing wrong. People dont know how the financing system works, and think that its fraud to claim a property is worth more than the government thinks its worth. There was no party harmed, and it was all a normal interaction.
The crime was probably called “Fraud”
So much for being "Very knowledgeable about the case" then...
I dont know legalese, but if that is the excuse you have to escape an argument that you should never have gotten into then so be it.
What argument? You still haven't presented an argument other than "Is Not!" Which is so juvenile it doesn't even need to be addressed.
You're the one who has presented yourself as "very knowledgeable on the case". I would guess Trump's legal team presented a defence more substantial than "NUH-UH" that you could have at least shared. But you don't know what the actual legal argument of the defense was, nor the actual charges (other than "probably fraud"). If you don't know the "legalise" how do you know it was interpreted wrong?
No wonder you think Kevin O'Leary is an expert on the case: you know less than he does and O'Leary barely knows anything about the case.
I did as you asked, gave you a direct question, and was met with a shrug. You've made your ignorance on the case clear and I will not waste any more time seeing if you have a novel view on the case to consider. You are just parroting the billionaire taking points I've already heard.
The argument is that it was a normal financing process and there was no victim or person/corporation that claimed to be wronged. People are allowed to claim their property is worth whatever they wish. Its really that simple and obvious. That is why I say you dont know anything about the case because you only have the standard NPC insults.
people are allowed to claim their property is worth whatever they wish
Not on their taxes. I can't claim my property is worth $1 to avoid paying taxes on it.
That is why I say you dont know anything about the case
And if that is true you have done nothing to explain the case better to me or anyone else who might read this thread.
The internet is full of idiots who think the Earth is flat, or that Kevin O'Leary is an expert in the American Legal system. You're not going to convince anyone with "just trust me bro."
You are are right about taxes, but that is not what he did. The government get to assign the value for property taxes and the property owner has the right to contest them. Also property taxes dont actually reflect the value of the property, and that gets very skewed on higher value properties.
If you have things you think he did wrong then I can tell you why I disagree, but I cant just argue without being pointed in the direction you think I am wrong.
If you have things you think he did wrong then I can tell you why I disagree
The things he was charged with.
And like I said, it was normal perfectly legal things. If you want to get more specific then feel free, or if you want a more in depth explaination feel free to listen to the evil billionaire that you hate for reasons.
And like I said, it was normal perfectly legal things.
And like I said: "it was legal, trust me bro" is not a legal defense.
If you want to get more specific then feel free
The evidence and arguments presented by the prosecution. You should be well familiar with them seeing as you know the case so well.
I already told you these things, you can claim your property is worth whatever you want, they said you cant. And as I already explained property tax does not reflect the actual value, they pretended it does.
There you go, I just told you the states arguments but you keep not wanting to listen. But sure, it was totally not a targeted prosecution.
He signed a legal business document saying "I believe the property is worth X". I signed another legal business document saying "I believe the property is worth Y" (notably not X).
Telling one person one thing and another person the opposite is textbook lying.
Lying in signed legal documents is fraud.
Your "knowledge" of the case clearly only comes from what Faux News has told you, which makes you less knowledgeable than someone who has been living under a rock.
Right, I'm sure some rich asshole (the one that makes other rich assholes say "what an asshole" if you've ever watched shark tank) is completely neutral in his stance that "rich assholes can say whatever they want and it's totally legal."
Also not a lawyer. Nor an American as far as I'm aware. So I don't know why I would trust him to be an expert on the American Legal system instead of, say, the judge on the case who has thoroughly reviewed all the evidence.
Billionaires are not your friend. You don't have to defend them I would strongly suggest not taking advice from them.
Okay: What are the specific laws Trump was found guilty of breaking, why do they not apply in this case, and how were they misinterpreted to get the guilty verdict?
Gotcha dont trust a rich guy but trust the government...
The crime was probably called "Fraud", and again, he did nothing wrong. People dont know how the financing system works, and think that its fraud to claim a property is worth more than the government thinks its worth. There was no party harmed, and it was all a normal interaction.
So much for being "Very knowledgeable about the case" then...
I dont know legalese, but if that is the excuse you have to escape an argument that you should never have gotten into then so be it.
What argument? You still haven't presented an argument other than "Is Not!" Which is so juvenile it doesn't even need to be addressed.
You're the one who has presented yourself as "very knowledgeable on the case". I would guess Trump's legal team presented a defence more substantial than "NUH-UH" that you could have at least shared. But you don't know what the actual legal argument of the defense was, nor the actual charges (other than "probably fraud"). If you don't know the "legalise" how do you know it was interpreted wrong?
No wonder you think Kevin O'Leary is an expert on the case: you know less than he does and O'Leary barely knows anything about the case.
I did as you asked, gave you a direct question, and was met with a shrug. You've made your ignorance on the case clear and I will not waste any more time seeing if you have a novel view on the case to consider. You are just parroting the billionaire taking points I've already heard.
The argument is that it was a normal financing process and there was no victim or person/corporation that claimed to be wronged. People are allowed to claim their property is worth whatever they wish. Its really that simple and obvious. That is why I say you dont know anything about the case because you only have the standard NPC insults.
Not on their taxes. I can't claim my property is worth $1 to avoid paying taxes on it.
And if that is true you have done nothing to explain the case better to me or anyone else who might read this thread.
The internet is full of idiots who think the Earth is flat, or that Kevin O'Leary is an expert in the American Legal system. You're not going to convince anyone with "just trust me bro."
You are are right about taxes, but that is not what he did. The government get to assign the value for property taxes and the property owner has the right to contest them. Also property taxes dont actually reflect the value of the property, and that gets very skewed on higher value properties.
If you have things you think he did wrong then I can tell you why I disagree, but I cant just argue without being pointed in the direction you think I am wrong.
The things he was charged with.
And like I said, it was normal perfectly legal things. If you want to get more specific then feel free, or if you want a more in depth explaination feel free to listen to the evil billionaire that you hate for reasons.
And like I said: "it was legal, trust me bro" is not a legal defense.
The evidence and arguments presented by the prosecution. You should be well familiar with them seeing as you know the case so well.
I already told you these things, you can claim your property is worth whatever you want, they said you cant. And as I already explained property tax does not reflect the actual value, they pretended it does.
There you go, I just told you the states arguments but you keep not wanting to listen. But sure, it was totally not a targeted prosecution.
He signed a legal business document saying "I believe the property is worth X". I signed another legal business document saying "I believe the property is worth Y" (notably not X).
Telling one person one thing and another person the opposite is textbook lying.
Lying in signed legal documents is fraud.
Your "knowledge" of the case clearly only comes from what Faux News has told you, which makes you less knowledgeable than someone who has been living under a rock.