Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established

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A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

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Hamas "fought back" by breaking down the doors of Israeli homes and slaughtering the families cowering inside. Gunning down teenagers at a music festival and kidnapping the survivors. That wasn't strategy. That was fanatical hatred, cowardly, and evil.

Hamas are cowards, perfectly happy to sit back and watch innocent Palestinians be slaughtered in the aftermath.

The IDF has killed 11 thousand men, 9 thousand women, and 14 thousand children, making 34 thousand total killed (an unknown number of which were civilians). Hamas has killed 0.6 thousand military personnel and 0.8 thousand civilians, making 1.4 thousand total killed (57% of which were civilians).

The number of children killed by Isreal (only children) is 17 times larger than the number of civilians killed by Hamas. Of course that doesn't make killing civilians OK, but I struggle to see an argument that Hamas is worse than the IDF. And if Hamas is the only method by which Palestine can defend itself, then there is a solid argument to be made for it being the lesser evil.

Both groups are murderers. One is just better equipped for it. Hamas hasn't killed less civilians out of some kind of restraint or combat disipline, they just don't have the same capability as the IDF. Meanwhile, Israel is gleefully using all the free shit that it's allies are supplying it with to kill every man woman and child in sight. Fuck Hamas. Fuck Israel.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare

If you ever find yourself on either side of asymmetric warfare, and you're killing kids...you're the bad guy.

Do you have any proof to back up your statement that Hamas ordered killing of children?

If you expect decency from malnourished oppressed people i would just call you entitled

Good thing Hamas barely killed any kids. Less than 3% of the deaths.

Israel kills 40% children.

Wonder who the bad guy is.

It's like I said, it's not one or the other. They are both the bad guys.

Do you call Ukraine the bad guys too for defending themselves?

Every country has soldiers killing innocents.

Every country does war crimes.

Everyone is the bad guys.

If Ukraine kicked down Russian doors and gunned down families or purposely targeted unarmed civilians, sure, they would be the bad guys in that situation.

Anyone who commits war crimes should be called out, and the perpetrators held accountable.

If Ukraine kicked down Russian doors and gunned down families or purposely targeted unarmed civilians, sure, they would be the bad guys in that situation.

Okay but we do know that Ukrainian soldiers have committed war crimes. For example

Amnesty International - Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians

  • Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm’s way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in February, Amnesty International said today.

And they used forbidden cluster munitions

Human Rights Watch - New Research Details Ukrainian Use of Widely Banned Weapon

Ukrainian forces have used cluster munitions that caused numerous deaths and serious injuries to civilians, Human Rights Watch said today. Russian forces have extensively used cluster munitions in Ukraine, killing many civilians and causing other serious civilian harm.

And much more! But I am not out here saying "Ukraine are the bad guys" because of a few war crimes.

Because they are being invaded and occupied and they have the right to fight back.

And I'd love for them to do it cleaner and more peaceful but hey, if the invader isn't interested in peace I'm not asking the victim for perfection.

Staging equipment in populated areas is hardly the same as gunning down civilians. If you put an unarmed, defenseless person in your sights and pull the trigger, you're a fucking monster. That's not defensive, that's murder.

I agree they're not as bad, however the cluster bombs are bad. And Ukraine is also known for having a few Neo Nazi battalions that weren't exactly too kind to Russian sympathizers. Which is the excuse Russia used to invade Ukraine. "Gotta deterrorize it". Wonder where I heard that...

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/09/ukraine-must-stop-ongoing-abuses-and-war-crimes-pro-ukrainian-volunteer-forces/

The call came as Amnesty International published fresh research collected on the ground in the northern Luhansk region, Abuses and war crimes by the Aidar Volunteer Battalion in the north Luhansk region, documenting a growing range of abuses by the Aidar Volunteer battalion.

Aidar is one of more than thirty so-called volunteer battalions to have emerged in the wake of the conflict which have been loosely integrated into Ukrainian security structures as they seek to retake separatist held areas.

Amnesty International has documented a growing spate of abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, robbery, extortion, and possible executions committed by the Aidar battalion. Some of these amount to war crimes.

But anyways. Hamas is offering peace. Israel just needs to take it.

And accidentally killing 33% IDF soldiers and destroying every military base next to the Gaza strip. Just pure coincidence.

Hamas has the civilian casualty rate which israel claims the IDF has. And israel has to lie about it.

Actually 45% soldiers. 824 civilians were killed and 678 soldiers and police were killed on October 7th, according to Israel.

Hamas killed soldiers so that they would free to go on their rampage against civilians. Israel accidentally kills civilians as they are trying to fight an enemy that hides behind them and camouflages themselves as civilians precisely to blur the lines between civilians and soldiers. That's the difference between the two.

Israel isn't accidentally killing anyone. They're stright up murdering civillians. Let's not pretend the IDF is any better than Hamas.

So

Hamas is killing soldiers "so they can go after the civilians".

Israel is killing civilians "so they can go after the soldiers."

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That's not what I said and you know that.

That is very much what you said you are just twisting reality because the numbers don't fit your narrative. If Hamas wanted to go for maximum civilian casualties they would have attacked deeper into cities.