why would you expect substantial change at any point if you re-elect a party after they spent a year propping up a genocide?
Bit of a shit situation is what I call it, we have two parties who are worth shit. One is violently genocidal both at home and abroad, while the other is only mildly genocidal abroad. Sorry to break it to you mate but there is only one effective choice.
And before ya come at me, imma just gonna point out that I fucken hate this fact. Im a socialist Redneck my ilk have been dealing with shit deals for over a hundred years, but the reason there are socialist Rednecks still around is cause pragmatism is a far more effective tool than throwing a hissy fit and checking out.
I dont like the shit pie but its far more effective than standing up and letting the shaped charage under my ass go off.
continuing to vote for the mildly genocidal party is not going to make the mildly genocidal party less genocidal
It can if ya vote in the primaries. The fact of the matter is that the parties didnt switch back in the 50s for no reason. The people winning the primaries swapped.
an incumbent has literally never lost a primary
biden was always more or less guaranteed to be the democratic nominee if he wanted to be
And your fucken point. Shit can change it just takes work. Though in this case it was quite unlikely, but nothing is stagnant perhaps if given enough work and the right circumstances we'll get a socdem as president. But alas I am simply reiterating my point.
I will reiterate one of my previous points, Trump and his ilk are genocidal both at home and abroad, and frankly speaking those folks in Palestine were fucked the second the old Palestinian organizations were surplanted by Hamas. This means to me that the math is simple genocide at home and abroad or no genocide at home and a possible cessation of said genocide abroad. It may seem shit but the math is pretty clear on what needs to be done.
the math is pretty clear
for the immediate next election cycle, yes
for the next time there's a palestine, very much no
Palestine is a relatively unique situation. Reminder a lot of boomers grew up knowing folks who experienced the holocaust, this creates a relatively annoying situation where they dont want to repeat the past which causes near unilateral support for Israel. It aint a position reached by logic or reason but by raw and very stupid emotions. Also the weird ass Christians trying to start Armageddon, but I want to lock them in a church and burn it down morals be damned because they legit fucking scare me and also piss me off.
My point is that this situation is pretty fucken unique. For fucks sake the US is giving a good bit of support to Armenia and the Armenians are nominally aligned with fucken Russia and against Turkey our ally, mind you the Turks have the same ability as the English with pissing everyone off.
I'm genuinely surprised you kept talking to them after it was clear they're arguing in bad faith.
Im a Scottish descended Redneck, im stubborn and dense enough that one of my preferred tactics in a fight is to headbutt. I will outlast even the most bad faith motherfucker due to these two reasons.
palestine is a unique situation? buddy there's literally three attempted genocides going on at the moment. it's not unique by any stretch of the imagination
Politically unique to the US.
Not really. In detail, maybe, but there will always be an excuse available to avoid committing US resources to any given genocide.
Yes, but non-committal is different from active assistance for eighty plus years. Without the whole eighty plus years of support for the genociders its a lot easier to get to the help the people getting genocided. Hell I would say even with that some countries are on far thinner ice compared to Israel, like Turkey.
that's the thing though, they don't need to "get help to" palestine, they just need to stop actively supporting israel in its genocide
you think the appetite is going to be there for actually committing resources somewhere when they can't even just do nothing?
why would you expect substantial change at any point if you re-elect a party after they spent a year propping up a genocide?
Bit of a shit situation is what I call it, we have two parties who are worth shit. One is violently genocidal both at home and abroad, while the other is only mildly genocidal abroad. Sorry to break it to you mate but there is only one effective choice.
And before ya come at me, imma just gonna point out that I fucken hate this fact. Im a socialist Redneck my ilk have been dealing with shit deals for over a hundred years, but the reason there are socialist Rednecks still around is cause pragmatism is a far more effective tool than throwing a hissy fit and checking out.
I dont like the shit pie but its far more effective than standing up and letting the shaped charage under my ass go off.
continuing to vote for the mildly genocidal party is not going to make the mildly genocidal party less genocidal
It can if ya vote in the primaries. The fact of the matter is that the parties didnt switch back in the 50s for no reason. The people winning the primaries swapped.
an incumbent has literally never lost a primary
biden was always more or less guaranteed to be the democratic nominee if he wanted to be
And your fucken point. Shit can change it just takes work. Though in this case it was quite unlikely, but nothing is stagnant perhaps if given enough work and the right circumstances we'll get a socdem as president. But alas I am simply reiterating my point.
I will reiterate one of my previous points, Trump and his ilk are genocidal both at home and abroad, and frankly speaking those folks in Palestine were fucked the second the old Palestinian organizations were surplanted by Hamas. This means to me that the math is simple genocide at home and abroad or no genocide at home and a possible cessation of said genocide abroad. It may seem shit but the math is pretty clear on what needs to be done.
for the immediate next election cycle, yes
for the next time there's a palestine, very much no
Palestine is a relatively unique situation. Reminder a lot of boomers grew up knowing folks who experienced the holocaust, this creates a relatively annoying situation where they dont want to repeat the past which causes near unilateral support for Israel. It aint a position reached by logic or reason but by raw and very stupid emotions. Also the weird ass Christians trying to start Armageddon, but I want to lock them in a church and burn it down morals be damned because they legit fucking scare me and also piss me off.
My point is that this situation is pretty fucken unique. For fucks sake the US is giving a good bit of support to Armenia and the Armenians are nominally aligned with fucken Russia and against Turkey our ally, mind you the Turks have the same ability as the English with pissing everyone off.
I'm genuinely surprised you kept talking to them after it was clear they're arguing in bad faith.
Im a Scottish descended Redneck, im stubborn and dense enough that one of my preferred tactics in a fight is to headbutt. I will outlast even the most bad faith motherfucker due to these two reasons.
palestine is a unique situation? buddy there's literally three attempted genocides going on at the moment. it's not unique by any stretch of the imagination
Politically unique to the US.
Not really. In detail, maybe, but there will always be an excuse available to avoid committing US resources to any given genocide.
Yes, but non-committal is different from active assistance for eighty plus years. Without the whole eighty plus years of support for the genociders its a lot easier to get to the help the people getting genocided. Hell I would say even with that some countries are on far thinner ice compared to Israel, like Turkey.
that's the thing though, they don't need to "get help to" palestine, they just need to stop actively supporting israel in its genocide
you think the appetite is going to be there for actually committing resources somewhere when they can't even just do nothing?