The mandate, authorized by a 2007 energy law signed by President George W. Bush
That is how far the Overton Window has moved.
Thanks for introducing a new term to me today.
Overton is rolling in his grave (rolling to the far right side of the coffin, but most are calling it the center of the coffin)
You mean voting works??? ShockedPikachu.jpg [while looking at retarded ideas to ban the EPA]
*I have no idea why this is being downvoted. The Overton Window moved because Trump won an election. Want to move the Overton Window? Then VOTE.
My reading is that they mean to say the conservative party has continued to move so far to the right that conservative positions from only 15 years ago are now "radical lib" positions.
Though I hesitate to frame this as the Overton Window. In society at large, the Overton Window continues to move to the left, being gay is normalized now, cannabis is normalized now, I would frame the conservative movement as a desperate grasping to prevent the Overton Window from continuing on its current path, normalizing a genderless society for example.
Economically, both American parties are right wing corporate welfare state proponents.
The united states is a corporate plutocracy, you can buy power and influence, and being poor is being increasingly criminalized. While the system squeezes wealth from the middle class like a sponge. It is engineered to transfer your life savings into the hands of the healthcare owners at the end of your life, instead of to your children.
The poverty class grows.
George H.W. Bush swore to fix climate change. Mind you he then undermined any hope of fixing it, but he did swear to fix it
Shit, we need that Mission Accomplished banner.
It's our only hope.
Yeah, the Overton window moved because Trump won an election. I have no idea why I'm being downvoted (unless it's by the people that say "I'm not voting because dems aren't left enough).
As for the other items you bring up, gay bashing has now transformed to trans bashing. I have little doubt they would go back to gay bashing if they could. They're already trying to divide and conquer with "just take out the trans of LGTBQ+ pretty please". Weed is an interesting issue that both sides really should agree on and we're finally coming to our senses. Economically, we have regulated capitalism. GOP wants to remove all regulation and the Dems want proper regulation. They are not the same, not even close.
Maybe don't use slurs in your comments /shrug
Yep. I downvoted because of the ableism. I downvote that word every time I see it. I know of too many really good people who were severely bullied with that word due to physical and mental conditions beyond their control.
I realize downvoting doesn't achieve much, but there's little else I can do.
What was the slur?
Kantar reviewed nearly 50 million social posts in the U.S. over 2 years. Over two-thirds of posts about people with intellectual disabilities were negative and nearly 29 million contained slurs (i.e., using the word “retard(ed)” or other words combined with “-tard”).
Spreading the R-word continues to hurt people with intellectual disabilities—and whether intended or not, is a form of bullying. Using the R-word is the same as using any slur against a minority group. Eliminating this word is a step toward respect for all.
It is one of the only words that disparages an entire class of human beings that many people seem to feel is also not bigoted enough to avoid using.
Oh oops, thanks. Not sure how I missed it.
MAGA most definitely isn't voting for welfare state policies.
They just don't know their candidates want to take away their Social Security and Medicare. Neither of which I consider a welfare state, personally.
Corporate welfare. Not welfare for citizens.
You think people voting once over a time span of four years is how the Overton window shifts? Lol come on you can't be for real
Does Fox News not exist in this vacuum you describe?
Who said that was the only thing? There are many things. But voting is by far the biggest thing you can do. Can you do anything about Fox? No. But you can VOTE.
Waiting for the "but but but Biden bad and doesn't do anything" comments.
aLL dEmOcRaTz sUpPoRt JeNoSiDe!!1
Yeah it was pretty unanimously supported
If you have a spare minute and thirty-two seconds.
voting for a government that's enabling a genocide is voting for that genocide to continue, no matter how you decide to answer on a poll
We're in a representative democracy that takes a couple years for all elected positions within a government to change completely assuming every person in said government was voted out. So I ask you, why the fuck would you assume massive change of policy and position within a year? Especially since support for Israel was pretty widespread for the better part of eighty years.
why would you assume a change of policy at all over any timescale if you keep electing people propping up a genocide?
Did ya fucken read my comment, most Americans werent aware of the genocide up until relatively recently. Even then traction against Israel has only built up within less than a fucken year, and I shall restate that the US has been backing Israel for longer than most people have been alive at this point. Why the fuck would you expect substantial change before theres even been an election.
why would you expect substantial change at any point if you re-elect a party after they spent a year propping up a genocide?
Bit of a shit situation is what I call it, we have two parties who are worth shit. One is violently genocidal both at home and abroad, while the other is only mildly genocidal abroad. Sorry to break it to you mate but there is only one effective choice.
And before ya come at me, imma just gonna point out that I fucken hate this fact. Im a socialist Redneck my ilk have been dealing with shit deals for over a hundred years, but the reason there are socialist Rednecks still around is cause pragmatism is a far more effective tool than throwing a hissy fit and checking out.
I dont like the shit pie but its far more effective than standing up and letting the shaped charage under my ass go off.
continuing to vote for the mildly genocidal party is not going to make the mildly genocidal party less genocidal
It can if ya vote in the primaries. The fact of the matter is that the parties didnt switch back in the 50s for no reason. The people winning the primaries swapped.
You've got one side sending food and clean water while the other side advocates Netanyahu "finish the job", but sure "both sides bad" about it all you want.
Relatively small amounts of food and water and billions in weapons for the people attacking them...
10 US Naval Ships dedicated exclusively to aid to Gaza probably beats the 10 Bn Military Aid.
Nothing will stop you believing that, I guess.
Weird way to resign from an argument, but I feel it.
I mean, you're clearly not willing to be rational on this, or you would never have brought it up.
What do you want me to do, waste my time researching the daily operating costs? Spend hours hunting sources you'll just tl;Dr?
What's the point? Even if you're right, it's irrelevant.
What costs more, a bullet, or the medical care to recover from being shot? How much credit do you want to give someone for killing a hundred people while forcing a thousand out of their homes just because they only almost let the thousand starve to death in a refugee camp run by rapists?
you can talk around it with all the mental gymnastics you like, but ultimately voting for biden is a signal to the democratic party that their base doesn't care about genocide enough to not vote for him, which is all they care about
And not voting for Biden resulting in a Trump victory signals an immediate end to Palestinians, among many other horrible atrocities to come as the US declines into a mix of Plutocracy and Evangelical Theocracy.
implying palestine will last until january
oh ho ho
if you're fine with the trade off, make the trade off and vote biden
just don't pretend the trade off isn't happening
There is urgency for every single life at risk in this conflict, but it's not debateable that Palestine absolutely will exist in January and that the differences in US Admin could very well be the difference of hundreds of thousands of lives following the election.
i don't think the current round of genocide will last until january, no, whether or not a state called palestine is left standing or not
yes offsetting climate emissions by the smallest possible degree is definitely equivalent to allowing the ongoing genocide attempt in gaza
legitimately what is your point?
There he is! Wooooo
lmfao
hate to say it but i'll see you when trump wins
Nothing will ever be enough for you.
biden not throwing away any shot of winning a second term would be enough for me
Buddy he never had a chance with you, that’s why other guy said “nothing will ever be enough for you”
Guy lost your vote the moment the letter “D” was in front of his name.
how in the name of fuck are we still doing this
it's absolutely wild that you people are still willing to die on the hill of "anybody who doesn't want to vote for state sponsored genocide is a secret trump supporter"
Buddy, we’ve been watching you jackasses willing to die on a molehill for almost a decade now.
Also, you literally said you’re a Trumpy, so..
i literally said i would hate to see trump win: i don't see how that makes me a "trumpy"
gender isn't binary, sex isn't binary, and the us needs to veer drastically towards socialist policies if it wants to keep from tearing apart at the seams
what shibboleth would you like me to pass to validate that i am not in fact a secret right-winger, and am in fact just somebody who isn't a terribly big fan of genocide?
democrats have been rightfully decrying the right's refusal to condemn the countless moral failings on their side of the aisle for almost a decade now, but the thing that finally has the left circling the wagons is a literal genocide?
are you feeling okay?
i literally said i would hate to see trump win: i don't see how that makes me a "trumpy"
Then I assume you are voting for Biden if you are in a swing state, right?
please see previous comment:
how in the name of fuck are we still doing this
it's absolutely wild that you people are still willing to die on the hill of "anybody who doesn't want to vote for state sponsored genocide is a secret trump supporter"
Voting in Biden again signals to the democratic party that their base are willing to accept genocide. Are you fine with that?
I say again, nothing will ever be enough for you. Ciao.
good lord how is it that every time i engage with a biden supporter it destroys the remaining faith i have that he might win reelection just that little bit more?
yes i am sure you will win this man re-election through snide remarks
fuck me
No, win with oh I don't know what this thread and article is about: green energy effectively. But every time it's always "but but but but but but but Biden bad!1!1!" Fuck me indeed, no conversation is even possible because it's "but but but but but but but but but". Ciao for real.
Waiting for the “but but but Biden bad and doesn’t do anything” comments.
golly gosh i must be mis-remembering because in my recollection it was very blatantly you who brought it up
i'm fine with small victories
i'm not fine with people using those small victories to justify legitimate grievances against biden
if you're somebody who needs biden to win come november, you should absolutely be making plans right now that assume he won't
The amount of point-missing that goes on with the left right now is astounding.
Maybe Trump will get convicted and this all becomes moot, but I swear, there are a huge contingent of people that are so disgusted with Biden and the pro-Israel left that they won't vote, even if they know it'll mean Trump gets in. And the head in the sand, victim-blaming left will all cry about how nobody showed up because they couldn't resist shitting on the centrists and pissing them off enough to stay home.
Looks like it bans natural gas. Doesn't mention diesel in the article. I was wondering what they'd do for backup power.
I don’t know about the particulars of this one, but these electrification mandates usually have exemptions for critical facilities and backup systems. It seems to be more about never using nat gas powered appliances like say a water heater. This also keeps in line with the new DC energy codes that are becoming mandatory in two years, and those have exemptions for diesel generators and such.
I figured as much. Gotta have backup power.
The first sentence references fossil fuels. I'm pretty sure that means diesel.
Hey cool, we’re catching up to what the rest of the world was doing two decades ago!
Battery backups
I'm not sure the reliability of those, but it's not like Diesel are any better when you have to change the fuel out every so often.
It's the longevity that's a problem more than reliability.
For 23 minutes, yes.
Nor does it ban shitty construction materials made out of petroleum.
damn, it's almost like the "bridge fuel" talk about methane gas was full of shit
Im really confused about all this. It says it's a mandate from 2007. But Biden did it? But he's also not doing it until he's not president anymore...
starting in 2030
🥱
He won’t be in office, or alive, then.
Or both! I'm gonna go get my yellow face paint for when dufus is made president again by the unknown electoral college.
I haven't decided yet. Quit my job and do drugs for a few years or just try to do something to as many bolice as possible until I have too many holes in my body to continue. In Minecraft.
No plastic in federal buildings?
Cool.
The article says fossil fuels. Not all petrochemical derivatives.
Reject the flimsyness of plastic embrace the strength and stubbornness of steel and stone!
For Rock and Stone! ⛏️
Rock and Stone or you ain't comin home
It's only Ashto Afpo for me.
aren't VA hospitals federal buildings?
are they just going to not have backup power past batteries in the case of an emergency?
Does the federal government actually care about the VA or veterans? I'm sure there are exclusions for life safety though.
i mean maybe not, but they probably care about veterans above the average person in america, so not caring about veterans is probably a bad sign for said average person
There are so many veterans unable to get care because the government drags their ass. Their paperwork system is so old that it takes forever to get anything approved.
yeah and they still care about veterans more than the average person
Looks like Biden is poisoning the well - enabling a whole lot of "progressive" legislation in rapid succession that an incoming Republican regime will obviously undo first thing.
It tells me that Biden isn't banking on winning the election.
Ah yes, giving his voters what they want, the ultimate sign of defeat.
Since when does the political establishment give the voting fodder anything they want?
Now? Source: literally this article.
You mean the legislation that Biden knows is going to disappear in a puff of smoke come November?
Literally always. It's been giving the self centered boomers what they've wanted for 40 years. Now that Millennials are the largest voting block, they're starting to listen to us.
Now that Millennials are the largest voting block, they’re starting to listen to us.
I hope you know of a place that will sell you cope in bulk - something tells me you're going to need lots of it in the foreseeable future.
Are you denying that the boomers have been getting what they wanted?
You only know boomers that got "what they wanted?"
Just how spoilt and privileged are you, lib?
You don't even know what liberal means you fucking moron. I AM YOUR ENEMY. I'm no liberal. I'm a goddamned Leftist and there are more of us every day.
I’m a goddamned Leftist
Lol! Since when do leftists capitalize the word leftist, liberal?
It's a good thing you told me you are a "leftist," liberal - I wouldn't have been able to tell with all the shitlib histrionics you and the rest of the hivemind are peddling hard over here.
That is how far the Overton Window has moved.
Thanks for introducing a new term to me today.
Overton is rolling in his grave (rolling to the far right side of the coffin, but most are calling it the center of the coffin)
You mean voting works??? ShockedPikachu.jpg [while looking at retarded ideas to ban the EPA]
*I have no idea why this is being downvoted. The Overton Window moved because Trump won an election. Want to move the Overton Window? Then VOTE.
My reading is that they mean to say the conservative party has continued to move so far to the right that conservative positions from only 15 years ago are now "radical lib" positions.
Though I hesitate to frame this as the Overton Window. In society at large, the Overton Window continues to move to the left, being gay is normalized now, cannabis is normalized now, I would frame the conservative movement as a desperate grasping to prevent the Overton Window from continuing on its current path, normalizing a genderless society for example.
Economically, both American parties are right wing corporate welfare state proponents.
The united states is a corporate plutocracy, you can buy power and influence, and being poor is being increasingly criminalized. While the system squeezes wealth from the middle class like a sponge. It is engineered to transfer your life savings into the hands of the healthcare owners at the end of your life, instead of to your children.
The poverty class grows.
George H.W. Bush swore to fix climate change. Mind you he then undermined any hope of fixing it, but he did swear to fix it
Shit, we need that Mission Accomplished banner.
It's our only hope.
Yeah, the Overton window moved because Trump won an election. I have no idea why I'm being downvoted (unless it's by the people that say "I'm not voting because dems aren't left enough).
As for the other items you bring up, gay bashing has now transformed to trans bashing. I have little doubt they would go back to gay bashing if they could. They're already trying to divide and conquer with "just take out the trans of LGTBQ+ pretty please". Weed is an interesting issue that both sides really should agree on and we're finally coming to our senses. Economically, we have regulated capitalism. GOP wants to remove all regulation and the Dems want proper regulation. They are not the same, not even close.
Maybe don't use slurs in your comments /shrug
Yep. I downvoted because of the ableism. I downvote that word every time I see it. I know of too many really good people who were severely bullied with that word due to physical and mental conditions beyond their control.
I realize downvoting doesn't achieve much, but there's little else I can do.
What was the slur?
https://www.specialolympics.org/stories/impact/why-the-r-word-is-the-r-slur
It is one of the only words that disparages an entire class of human beings that many people seem to feel is also not bigoted enough to avoid using.
Oh oops, thanks. Not sure how I missed it.
MAGA most definitely isn't voting for welfare state policies.
They just don't know their candidates want to take away their Social Security and Medicare. Neither of which I consider a welfare state, personally.
Corporate welfare. Not welfare for citizens.
You think people voting once over a time span of four years is how the Overton window shifts? Lol come on you can't be for real
Does Fox News not exist in this vacuum you describe?
Who said that was the only thing? There are many things. But voting is by far the biggest thing you can do. Can you do anything about Fox? No. But you can VOTE.
Waiting for the "but but but Biden bad and doesn't do anything" comments.
aLL dEmOcRaTz sUpPoRt JeNoSiDe!!1
Yeah it was pretty unanimously supported
If you have a spare minute and thirty-two seconds.
Bernie Sanders: "Poll after poll shows that the American people do not want to give more military aid to Netanyahu"
voting for a government that's enabling a genocide is voting for that genocide to continue, no matter how you decide to answer on a poll
We're in a representative democracy that takes a couple years for all elected positions within a government to change completely assuming every person in said government was voted out. So I ask you, why the fuck would you assume massive change of policy and position within a year? Especially since support for Israel was pretty widespread for the better part of eighty years.
why would you assume a change of policy at all over any timescale if you keep electing people propping up a genocide?
Did ya fucken read my comment, most Americans werent aware of the genocide up until relatively recently. Even then traction against Israel has only built up within less than a fucken year, and I shall restate that the US has been backing Israel for longer than most people have been alive at this point. Why the fuck would you expect substantial change before theres even been an election.
why would you expect substantial change at any point if you re-elect a party after they spent a year propping up a genocide?
Bit of a shit situation is what I call it, we have two parties who are worth shit. One is violently genocidal both at home and abroad, while the other is only mildly genocidal abroad. Sorry to break it to you mate but there is only one effective choice.
And before ya come at me, imma just gonna point out that I fucken hate this fact. Im a socialist Redneck my ilk have been dealing with shit deals for over a hundred years, but the reason there are socialist Rednecks still around is cause pragmatism is a far more effective tool than throwing a hissy fit and checking out.
I dont like the shit pie but its far more effective than standing up and letting the shaped charage under my ass go off.
continuing to vote for the mildly genocidal party is not going to make the mildly genocidal party less genocidal
It can if ya vote in the primaries. The fact of the matter is that the parties didnt switch back in the 50s for no reason. The people winning the primaries swapped.
You've got one side sending food and clean water while the other side advocates Netanyahu "finish the job", but sure "both sides bad" about it all you want.
Relatively small amounts of food and water and billions in weapons for the people attacking them...
10 US Naval Ships dedicated exclusively to aid to Gaza probably beats the 10 Bn Military Aid.
Nothing will stop you believing that, I guess.
Weird way to resign from an argument, but I feel it.
I mean, you're clearly not willing to be rational on this, or you would never have brought it up.
What do you want me to do, waste my time researching the daily operating costs? Spend hours hunting sources you'll just tl;Dr?
What's the point? Even if you're right, it's irrelevant.
What costs more, a bullet, or the medical care to recover from being shot? How much credit do you want to give someone for killing a hundred people while forcing a thousand out of their homes just because they only almost let the thousand starve to death in a refugee camp run by rapists?
you can talk around it with all the mental gymnastics you like, but ultimately voting for biden is a signal to the democratic party that their base doesn't care about genocide enough to not vote for him, which is all they care about
And not voting for Biden resulting in a Trump victory signals an immediate end to Palestinians, among many other horrible atrocities to come as the US declines into a mix of Plutocracy and Evangelical Theocracy.
implying palestine will last until january
oh ho ho
if you're fine with the trade off, make the trade off and vote biden
just don't pretend the trade off isn't happening
There is urgency for every single life at risk in this conflict, but it's not debateable that Palestine absolutely will exist in January and that the differences in US Admin could very well be the difference of hundreds of thousands of lives following the election.
i don't think the current round of genocide will last until january, no, whether or not a state called palestine is left standing or not
you're trading in the lives of the next palestine
I'll admit that more people opposed the Ukraine Aid (all R tho) than the Israel Aid, but it's still wrong to say unanimously.
yes offsetting climate emissions by the smallest possible degree is definitely equivalent to allowing the ongoing genocide attempt in gaza
legitimately what is your point?
There he is! Wooooo
lmfao
hate to say it but i'll see you when trump wins
Nothing will ever be enough for you.
biden not throwing away any shot of winning a second term would be enough for me
Buddy he never had a chance with you, that’s why other guy said “nothing will ever be enough for you”
Guy lost your vote the moment the letter “D” was in front of his name.
how in the name of fuck are we still doing this
it's absolutely wild that you people are still willing to die on the hill of "anybody who doesn't want to vote for state sponsored genocide is a secret trump supporter"
Buddy, we’ve been watching you jackasses willing to die on a molehill for almost a decade now.
Also, you literally said you’re a Trumpy, so..
i literally said i would hate to see trump win: i don't see how that makes me a "trumpy"
gender isn't binary, sex isn't binary, and the us needs to veer drastically towards socialist policies if it wants to keep from tearing apart at the seams
what shibboleth would you like me to pass to validate that i am not in fact a secret right-winger, and am in fact just somebody who isn't a terribly big fan of genocide?
democrats have been rightfully decrying the right's refusal to condemn the countless moral failings on their side of the aisle for almost a decade now, but the thing that finally has the left circling the wagons is a literal genocide?
are you feeling okay?
Then I assume you are voting for Biden if you are in a swing state, right?
please see previous comment:
Voting in Biden again signals to the democratic party that their base are willing to accept genocide. Are you fine with that?
Welcome to the war on independence.
You're either loyal to the tribe, or an enemy.
That’s some weapons-grade projection right there, lad.
You don't know what projection means.
I say again, nothing will ever be enough for you. Ciao.
good lord how is it that every time i engage with a biden supporter it destroys the remaining faith i have that he might win reelection just that little bit more?
yes i am sure you will win this man re-election through snide remarks
fuck me
No, win with oh I don't know what this thread and article is about: green energy effectively. But every time it's always "but but but but but but but Biden bad!1!1!" Fuck me indeed, no conversation is even possible because it's "but but but but but but but but but". Ciao for real.
golly gosh i must be mis-remembering because in my recollection it was very blatantly you who brought it up
i'm fine with small victories
i'm not fine with people using those small victories to justify legitimate grievances against biden
if you're somebody who needs biden to win come november, you should absolutely be making plans right now that assume he won't
The amount of point-missing that goes on with the left right now is astounding.
Maybe Trump will get convicted and this all becomes moot, but I swear, there are a huge contingent of people that are so disgusted with Biden and the pro-Israel left that they won't vote, even if they know it'll mean Trump gets in. And the head in the sand, victim-blaming left will all cry about how nobody showed up because they couldn't resist shitting on the centrists and pissing them off enough to stay home.
They're indoctrinated beyond belief.
You're either with them, or against them.
Looks like it bans natural gas. Doesn't mention diesel in the article. I was wondering what they'd do for backup power.
I don’t know about the particulars of this one, but these electrification mandates usually have exemptions for critical facilities and backup systems. It seems to be more about never using nat gas powered appliances like say a water heater. This also keeps in line with the new DC energy codes that are becoming mandatory in two years, and those have exemptions for diesel generators and such.
I figured as much. Gotta have backup power.
The first sentence references fossil fuels. I'm pretty sure that means diesel.
Hey cool, we’re catching up to what the rest of the world was doing two decades ago!
Battery backups
I'm not sure the reliability of those, but it's not like Diesel are any better when you have to change the fuel out every so often.
It's the longevity that's a problem more than reliability.
For 23 minutes, yes.
Nor does it ban shitty construction materials made out of petroleum.
damn, it's almost like the "bridge fuel" talk about methane gas was full of shit
Im really confused about all this. It says it's a mandate from 2007. But Biden did it? But he's also not doing it until he's not president anymore...
🥱
He won’t be in office, or alive, then.
Or both! I'm gonna go get my yellow face paint for when dufus is made president again by the unknown electoral college.
I haven't decided yet. Quit my job and do drugs for a few years or just try to do something to as many bolice as possible until I have too many holes in my body to continue. In Minecraft.
No plastic in federal buildings?
Cool.
The article says fossil fuels. Not all petrochemical derivatives.
Reject the flimsyness of plastic embrace the strength and stubbornness of steel and stone!
For Rock and Stone! ⛏️
Rock and Stone or you ain't comin home
It's only Ashto Afpo for me.
aren't VA hospitals federal buildings?
are they just going to not have backup power past batteries in the case of an emergency?
Does the federal government actually care about the VA or veterans? I'm sure there are exclusions for life safety though.
i mean maybe not, but they probably care about veterans above the average person in america, so not caring about veterans is probably a bad sign for said average person
There are so many veterans unable to get care because the government drags their ass. Their paperwork system is so old that it takes forever to get anything approved.
yeah and they still care about veterans more than the average person
Looks like Biden is poisoning the well - enabling a whole lot of "progressive" legislation in rapid succession that an incoming Republican regime will obviously undo first thing.
It tells me that Biden isn't banking on winning the election.
Ah yes, giving his voters what they want, the ultimate sign of defeat.
Since when does the political establishment give the voting fodder anything they want?
Now? Source: literally this article.
You mean the legislation that Biden knows is going to disappear in a puff of smoke come November?
Literally always. It's been giving the self centered boomers what they've wanted for 40 years. Now that Millennials are the largest voting block, they're starting to listen to us.
I hope you know of a place that will sell you cope in bulk - something tells me you're going to need lots of it in the foreseeable future.
Are you denying that the boomers have been getting what they wanted?
You only know boomers that got "what they wanted?"
Just how spoilt and privileged are you, lib?
You don't even know what liberal means you fucking moron. I AM YOUR ENEMY. I'm no liberal. I'm a goddamned Leftist and there are more of us every day.
Lol! Since when do leftists capitalize the word leftist, liberal?
It's a good thing you told me you are a "leftist," liberal - I wouldn't have been able to tell with all the shitlib histrionics you and the rest of the hivemind are peddling hard over here.
He already won, he's running against the worlds biggest and greatest LOSER. NOBODY loses more than tRump! Go suck an egg Komrade
Lol! If you say so.