‘We will fight with our fingernails’ says Netanyahu after US threat to curb arms
Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that Israel will stand alone and “fight with our fingernails” in defiance of US threats to further restrict arms deliveries if Israeli forces proceeded with an offensive on the southern Gazan city of Rafah.
Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, was speaking on Thursday after Israeli and Hamas delegations left the ceasefire negotiations in Cairo.
It was unclear whether the talks had broken down or simply paused, but the failure to reach an agreement on this week’s round of meetings raised apprehension of an imminent Israeli attack on Rafah.
Netanyahu appeared to shrug off a public warning from the US president, Joe Biden, the previous night that if the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) launched a major offensive on the city the US would not provide bombs and artillery shells to support the operation.
Ridiculous that Biden is changing policy due to students protesting a war just because the aggressor/initiator is losing badly. He’s lost their votes already.
Hoping they take Rafah soon and eliminate every last Hamas jihadist and hopefully get some hostages back alive
Taking Rafah... Rafah has been occupied for the better part of a century, my dude, they're not taking land to root out terrorists. They're just killing people for the sake of killing people.
Got a source that they’re killing people just for the sake of it? I’m pretty sure they’re after these delightful people: https://thisishamas.com
There’s a post about another mass grave found at a hospital a few scrolls above this
It’s horrible, but there are mass deaths in a war. If Hamas surrendered themselves the war would end.
There will always be a hamas, because when you commit human rights violations against an oppressed occupied people for so long that’s what you get. Israel is the architect of its own misery here
Oppressed people would not be decapitating innocent people, murdering a pregnant woman then cutting out the baby, all the while doing it with pleasure and chanting to their god. It’s doing gods work, not because they’re oppressed.
Yes innocent people get killed in a war, but it’s not the intention. For Hamas, killing any Jewish people is the intention. You’re a terrorism apologist
Nice to meet you genocide apologist. How many children’s hospitals did you bomb today?
There’s no genocide, but there are childrens hospitals loaded with Hamas military weapons. Terrorists don’t give a damn about those children, but it gains them great supporters like your good self.
You keep making this argument but I just don't get. How does the supposed presence of Hamas in / under / around a target full of innocent civilians and children in any way justify bombing the area with what can only be described as full disregard for innocent casualties? Would you be ok with the IDF carpet bombing a hospital full of Israeli citizens based on intelligence that a bunch of Hamas are holed up in the basement? If not, why is it okay if it's innocent Palestinians instead?
Yes, Hamas strategy of endangering citizens is horrible. Does it give Israel blanket permission to just bomb densely populated civilian areas? Absolutely fucking not!
They aren’t blanket bombing civilians. They’re fighting a difficult war in an urban environment against terrorists who hide behind civilians, against civilians who support the terrorists, and telling civilians to evacuate but many are coerced into staying by Hamas, and despite all that, they’re still harming less civilians than would be normal in a war in those circumstances.
So no, I wouldn’t be ok with blanket bombing any hospital full of innocent people. I would be ok with bombing a hospital where innocents have been told to leave and where terrorists and their weapons are located.
Tell me where are all the protests against Hamas? Where are all the people calling for them to surrender? All I hear is apologies for their acts
My dude, where the hell do you think these people can just go to? There is barely any land not under attack these days, and even if there is somewhere safe to go to, not everyone can just leave either because they physically can't or just don't have the means. Especially true when we're talking about goddamn hospitals...
Again, a great reason not to bomb the area if that's known to be the case.
Then why aren't you condemning Israel's conduct? This is exactly what's happening.
So, let me rephrase the question: in a hypothetical situation where hundreds of Israelis were kept in a location with a bunch of Hamas in the basement and coerced to stay there by hamas, do you think the IDF would be justified in bombing it?
I don't even want to engage with this point because it's not relevant in this discussion whatsoever. Unless you think innocent people deserve being bombed because they don't demonstrate against a violent regime within an active warzone while trying to survive.
I support neither. Hamas is the natural consequence of the Israeli apartheid state, is all I’m saying. So, have any big plans today? Going to target a journalist’s family? Help dig a mass grave? Maybe just stop aid and food going to the famished? Must be hard work, but a hearty diet of boot leather will see you through it
Quiet day for me. You decapitating anyone today? Cutting out any unborn babies? Raping? You’re definitely earning your place in paradise. Congratulations
So you agree that killing hostages is an terrorist act, so when Israel shot their own fleeing hostages…
Which never happened but I’d expect nothing less from a Hamas supporter like yourself
Actually, the percentage rate at which people are dying in Palestine exceeds that of WWII. They've also got the most dead reporters in such a short timeframe, perhaps ever recorded.
Which figures are you using? Hamas figures can be taken with a pinch of salt. The best approximation I saw was 3:1 non combatants to combatants which as awful as it sounds is actually very good for dense urban warfare.
Hamas are not fighting like a regular countries army would fight. They do not care for their own civilians
Do you fuck the boot before you eat it?
Do you kiss your jihadist family with that mouth? Or did they all go to paradise detonating themselves already?
You're the one invading a land and killing kids
Jihad is a word often used to describe priests or people faithful in times of hardship, it's even part of the scifi term Butlerian Jihad which describes people who overthrow a robot overlord. It doesn't really indicate connection or relation to any Muslim sect, if that's your misconception. Most of the comments here are probably white agnostic millennials.
What is happening in Gaza right now is abnormal by so many metrics, including % of children killed, % of civilians, and number of reporters. It's far from normal even in context of the more chaotic wars in history. Stop trying to normalize it.
Do you really think that after Israel just brutally murdered thousands of innocent young people's families, they're going to want peace? What Israel is doing right now is making sure that there's going to be a fresh wave of "terrorists" down the line. If you actually want lasting peace, what is going on right now makes absolutely no sense
Show your source for those figures. If it’s the Gaza Health Ministry you should know it’s controlled by Hamas, whose interest it is in to tell you all the dead are women and children to gain international sympathy. Looks like their propaganda is working
Let me turn that right around on you: What are your sources that dispute the Gazan numbers? I find it hard to believe that anyone is in a better position to count casualties than the body running the hospitals in the affected region.
Of course the numbers from all sides always need to be taken with a grain of salt, but GHM numbers are generally trusted by the UN, US government and media, and have been found to be accurate in numerous Western (aka Israel-friendly) studies. I don't know how much more you want.
No, their/your propaganda isn’t working, I hope Israel is turned to glass
It wouldn't end the war, Israel will keep re-categorizing Palestinians as "the enemy" to justify their extermination campaign.
You have to keep in mind that the reason the Palestinians voted Hamas into power was a direct reaction to Israeli hostility.
It existed before Hamas, and will continue after Hamas.
If you think Israel does not want any civilian casualties in Gaza, ask yourself some of these questions:
Netanyahu allowed Gaza to arm themselves. Netanyahu ignored warnings of the attack in October. Netanyahu allowed them to enter from multiple directions while the best surveillance system on Earth suddenly became useless. Netanyahu brought you this war.
If your goal was to kill as many civilians as possible without risk to your "own people" nearby, then you would operate this war much like Netanyahu has. I believe he would have napalmed the entire region if the rest of the world weren't threatening sanctions and intervention.
Go back to truth social you obvious troll.
Never used Truth Social. Isn’t that for the far right?
You’re completely wrong. Im just against extreme religious terrorism. Strange that you think that makes me far right
If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck and spends it's time denying the ongoing genocide in Palestine like a duck, then I'll call it a duck
You are deluded if you think supporting Israel in its right to defend itself against Islamic Jihadist terrorists is exclusive to the far right. By your definition Biden must be on Truth social too
The fact you had to argue a completely different point instead of the one I'm actually making shows that you KNOW your position is morally indefensible.
We both know that Israel invading palesting and killing thousands of children isn't "self defence".
We both know Israel restricting humanitarian aid from entering palestine, thus causing a man made famine, is not them defending themselves.
Everyone here knows you are not arguing in good faith. Including yourself, so why are you wasting your time? Are you doing a "le epic troll"? Are you just an edgy contrarian? Or something else? Please, tell me.
Makes me miss lemmy karma
Whats that?
Was like reddit karma keeping track of up/downvotes, could tell an obvious troll from a mile away
Now that you mention it, profiles here only show number of posts and comments. I didn't even notice.
It used to show the karma count on profiles but that feature was removed.
Yes, that's correct, you used to be able to see karma on profiles but now karma does not appear on profiles.