The Biden Campaign Has a Trump-Fatigue Problem

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The Biden Campaign Has a Trump-Fatigue Problem
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Joe Biden’s campaign is facing a strategic dilemma. Since the president’s job-approval ratings have been consistently low, his path to reelection depends on making 2024 a comparative choice between himself and Donald Trump, his scary, extremist predecessor. That task is becoming more urgent as evidence emerges that a sizable number of voters either don’t remember or misremember the four turbulent years of the Trump administration. But paradoxically, educating voters about the potential consequences of a Biden defeat could annoy and alienate them by pushing Trump fatigue to new heights.

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Biden's campaign has a "complicit in genocide" problem

Trump won't have that problem because he won't care how complicit he is.

I mean you are correct.

Trumps voters don't care if he is complicit in a genocide.

Bidens voters do care if he is complicit in a genocide.

Its apples and oranges. The two cohorts of voters are looking for different things from their candidates. Its why comparing the two with each others yard-sticks doesn't make sense.

Definitely. Trump's eligibility doesn't depend on people thinking he's a genocidal piece of shit. If anything, it improves his chances.

Biden doesn't have that luxury, though. Hence why it's a problem.

It's a problem because liberal voters expect a perfect candidate, but conservatives are willing to see the forest through the trees.

Biden's being held to a standard that no one's holding Trump to.

There's a pretty big leap between "perfect candidate" and "unapologetically commiting genocide".

The reason why no one is holding Trump to Biden's starddards is that Biden wants votes from people who aren't the scum of the Earth, since that's already Trump's entire electorate.

unapologetically commiting genocide

Which is not what Biden's doing and you know it. Why even put that out there?

It's exactly what he's doing, why are you pretending is not?

If he says "sorry for the genocide" I'll stand corrected and change it to "apologetically committing genocide"

Sending US troops to build a pier to provide aid is committing genocide?

Now that's what I call arguing in bad faith by feigning ignorance 2024 greatest hits

Humor me, pretend it's not feigning ignorance and explain it. What's Biden doing that rises to the level of genocide?

How is that a problem for Biden? When Biden criticize aspects of Israeli behavior, and Trump has zero problems supporting Israel no matter what.
Biden is for sure the lesser evil in this aspect too, where he is probably most criticized by people attempting to make both sides equal, when it's a false equivalence of gigantic proportions.

Yes, he is the lesser evil.

Some people don't like evil and won't vote for him until he decides to not do that. That's a problem for his eligibility.

It's a lot easier to convince one guy to chill on doing genocide than convincing a million people that it's ok to do genocide just this time cause it's important and the other guy is worse

OK so 70 years of supporting Israel, and suddenly NOW it becomes a problem in the election?
It has absolutely nothing to do with Russian/GOP propaganda to make Biden look bad?
I'm sorry, I just don't buy that. I'm all for a solution in Gaza, and I'm sure Biden is too, on the other hand, I don't believe Trump gives a shit.

Israel has always been a bad actor, but the current gencocide is clearly a low point. And thanks to social media, the mainstream media's consent generation machinery is losing effectiveness. It's hard to pretend nothing is happening when people see emaciated children on their instagram feeds. Biden doesn't need any help making himself look like a sick monster.

I love that I saw this exact argument 4 years ago when he picked Harris as VP. "oh so now police violence is a problem, damn you, Putin"

I don't know why it took until they killed >10000 children in 6 months for more people to care, but supporting Israel has always been a problem. If his election is threatened by that he can simply stop supporting a genocide or admit that, yes, his belief in letting Israel kill as many people as they want is more important than this election.

If police violence is a problem, that too is 100% a reason to NOT vote for Trump. Trump wants to give more power to police, and protect them even better when they kill innocent people. Trump wants police to shoot colored people and demonstrants indiscriminately. His policies and actions clearly show that.
You are supporting a fascist with no regard for democracy, either on purpose or unwittingly.

Phew, I'm glad I'm not voting for Trump.

Can we discuss how Biden's support of genocide is bad now?

If you are not helping Biden, you are helping Trump win. That's the problem with the 2 party system in USA.
Maybe one day USA will have a better democracy, and we can have more nuanced debates on US politics.