I'll just throw a piece of bacon on my cheeseburger tonight in honour of that commenter.
Found the 10 year old
I guess I’ll wash down the meal with some ice cream now.
Healthy choices
Why go for a cheeseburger when you could do a veal Parmesan with prosciutto garnish.
I don’t eat veal, that shit is cruel.
Oh like you care, go get you some. We won't think any less of you.
I’m sorry I don’t share the same beliefs as you but you don’t have to treat me like I’m less of a person just because you disagree with me.
Oh, we're upset about your treatment now? My mistake. I meant
Good sir, you can have the veal. No need to abstain, it's fully in line with your character and your beliefs. Please enjoy your meal, my lord.
You sure assume a lot about me.
What’s my name?
My age?
Where do I live?
Since you know my character and my beliefs, right?
Or are you just projecting everything that frustrates you on me because I’m an easy target that you disagree with?
You don't care about milk, you don't care about veal. I don't know why you'd pretend otherwise.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
You are projecting your prejudices on me.
They're the same industry. Impregnate cows to keep them producing milk, steal the babies away and either raise them to get impregnated or send them to be slaughtered for veal. You're either lying or clueless and I don't really care to find out which it is anymore, I've lost interest. Have fun.
You’re treating me like less of a person than you because I don’t share your beliefs and I kind of feel bad for you because of it.
most calves, even male calves in the dairy industry, are brought to full weight before slaughter. a tiny percentage become veal.
You realise that veal is often just the calves taken from dairy cows, right? If you drink milk you are already supporting veal. They're killed anyway, it's just the difference between them being discarded or being sold.
Pancakes already made that point, if you keep reading you’ll see it.
It's like if you pay a hitman to do some murders for you. Are you a murderer? I guess not technically, but 'conspirator to commit murder' doesn't have the same ring to it. Thus we just opt for rapist, since you support an industry that annually rapes cows and kills their calves so that you can enjoy a tall glass of cow juice.
It's ok if that's what you want to do. No judgement here.
I pay taxes so am I responsible for the murders and wars my government commits?
You can't really compare the two things. You have limited control over how your taxes are spent, you can vote on how you want them spent and protest the actions of your government, but outside of that it's not up to you.
With milk, though, you are directly financing it by buying the product, and the product wouldn't exist without those things happening. So you are in effect a 'conspirator to cow rape' since your demand incites the act.
Dairy production is heavy subsidized so even if you don’t buy it you are still supporting the industry.
So yes it can be compared.
Ok, so because you're being needlessly pedantic here is the comparison.
I am not directly responsible for the wars and murders my government commits because of the reasons I stated above. But if they had a big bucket that said 'put money in this big bucket to directly support the wars and murders of your government' and I were to put money in of my own free will - then yes I would be directly responsible for those wars and murders.
If I do not put money in I am not directly responsible.
That's the difference between paying taxes and buying a bottle of cow milk.
buying a product from a shelf is nothing like hiring a hitman.
Yeah, I used a metaphor to help explain how you can be found responsible for something even if you didn't do the thing yourself.
but your analogy doesn't reflect the reality of the situation
I guess I don't agree with you. If I buy a product that specifically requires the death of an animal I would feel like I am responsible for the death of that animal and monetarily incentivising the death of other animals.
If I pay a hitman to kill someone I am not innocent of murder.
You don't get to support an industry that kills animals and then say you're not responsible for the death of animals.
the animal is dead long before I walk into a store or restaurant, and the people who did the killing have already been paid. I have no responsibility for that.
no one is raping cows
Without getting into a semantics debate on what rape is. The reason the word is used is because dairy cows are impregnated by fisting the cows asshole and stimulating their cervix before squirting a semen gun into their vagina. The cows cannot consent to this so the word rape is used. Some people might not consider it rape for whatever reason and yes, the word was probably chosen to be provocative. But that's the explanation.
it's not rape. it's a veterinary procedure. animals don't consent to any veterinary procedures. it's not rape.
Who are you trying to convince?
anyone who is willing to think about it for longer than it takes to repeat a slogan.
Everyone who drinks milk is funding the repeated rape of cows, to be more specific.
Everyone who drinks milk is funding the repeated rape of cows
False. I drink goat milk!
Isn't the dairy industry heavily subsidized so would anyone paying taxes be doing that too?
Do you pay taxes?
You see part of the problem with the system then. This is why vegans go as far as possible and practicable, because animal abuse is built into everything and is not optional. We're trying to minimize it where we can, and use that momentum to eventually get rid of some of the malevolent built in nonsense we all have to deal with. Nobody should be subsidizing cow rapists and murders, and it shouldn't be a requirement to live here to.
Your language makes you sound like an anti-abortion nutcase.
Cow rapist!
Baby killer!
It's all the same to someone that doesn't feel as strongly about your beliefs as you.
Sorry, do you have another term for the non consensual penetration of someone's ass and vagina? I'm listening.
Turns out the answer was "no". Color me surprised.
See?
It's the exact same language.
'So what else do you call baby killing?'
It's a question designed with no answer.
Abortion, a medical procedure to remove a fetus, not the same thing.
What's another term for the unwanted penetration of someone's ass and vagina? You didn't like the term I gave you, stage is yours.
You're obviously not listening to what I'm saying.
I understand you have strong feelings about your beliefs but not everyone does.
When you attack someone for not sharing your feelings you are as bad as the anti-abortion people or the republicans who want to take away the rights of the LGBTs.
How the fuck did you think milk was produced? This is literally grade school biology. Farmers rape cows for their milk, and you pay them for the privilege.
You make it sound like the farmers are all about the cow 'tang.
They probably get off on fisting the cow's asshole before they even shove the insemination gun in tbh
They literally made cow tang their job.
I think you seriously underestimate how much non-human raping goes on in the animal world. Many species have dicks that have evolved specifically to facilitate rape.
And...?
What does that have to do with humans choosing to rape cows for profit? Total non-sequitur. Bears shit in the woods, does that mean you do too? Animals rape, therefore you should too?
Sometimes I shit in the woods 🖐️ not cause bears do it, just cause there's no toilets out there and it is kinda nice tbh
I would never buy animal products tho, that shit is fucked up 😬
no one is raping cows
It's literally penetrating a genitals to impregnate them against their will for our own benefit, the definition of rape. Saying you don't care about the rape of cows and will keep eating dairy is your opinion, but denying that it is rape is just straight up cognitive dissonance.
it's not rape. it's a veterinary procedure.
you claim it's against their will but how can you prove that?
Everyone who drinks milk fucks cows?
Am I supposed to take you seriously right now?
Now you see what I've been dealing with
I'll just throw a piece of bacon on my cheeseburger tonight in honour of that commenter.
Found the 10 year old
I guess I’ll wash down the meal with some ice cream now.
Healthy choices
Why go for a cheeseburger when you could do a veal Parmesan with prosciutto garnish.
I don’t eat veal, that shit is cruel.
Oh like you care, go get you some. We won't think any less of you.
I’m sorry I don’t share the same beliefs as you but you don’t have to treat me like I’m less of a person just because you disagree with me.
Oh, we're upset about your treatment now? My mistake. I meant
Good sir, you can have the veal. No need to abstain, it's fully in line with your character and your beliefs. Please enjoy your meal, my lord.
You sure assume a lot about me.
What’s my name?
My age?
Where do I live?
Since you know my character and my beliefs, right?
Or are you just projecting everything that frustrates you on me because I’m an easy target that you disagree with?
You don't care about milk, you don't care about veal. I don't know why you'd pretend otherwise.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
You are projecting your prejudices on me.
They're the same industry. Impregnate cows to keep them producing milk, steal the babies away and either raise them to get impregnated or send them to be slaughtered for veal. You're either lying or clueless and I don't really care to find out which it is anymore, I've lost interest. Have fun.
You’re treating me like less of a person than you because I don’t share your beliefs and I kind of feel bad for you because of it.
most calves, even male calves in the dairy industry, are brought to full weight before slaughter. a tiny percentage become veal.
You realise that veal is often just the calves taken from dairy cows, right? If you drink milk you are already supporting veal. They're killed anyway, it's just the difference between them being discarded or being sold.
Pancakes already made that point, if you keep reading you’ll see it.
It's like if you pay a hitman to do some murders for you. Are you a murderer? I guess not technically, but 'conspirator to commit murder' doesn't have the same ring to it. Thus we just opt for rapist, since you support an industry that annually rapes cows and kills their calves so that you can enjoy a tall glass of cow juice.
It's ok if that's what you want to do. No judgement here.
I pay taxes so am I responsible for the murders and wars my government commits?
You can't really compare the two things. You have limited control over how your taxes are spent, you can vote on how you want them spent and protest the actions of your government, but outside of that it's not up to you.
With milk, though, you are directly financing it by buying the product, and the product wouldn't exist without those things happening. So you are in effect a 'conspirator to cow rape' since your demand incites the act.
Dairy production is heavy subsidized so even if you don’t buy it you are still supporting the industry.
So yes it can be compared.
Ok, so because you're being needlessly pedantic here is the comparison.
I am not directly responsible for the wars and murders my government commits because of the reasons I stated above. But if they had a big bucket that said 'put money in this big bucket to directly support the wars and murders of your government' and I were to put money in of my own free will - then yes I would be directly responsible for those wars and murders.
If I do not put money in I am not directly responsible.
That's the difference between paying taxes and buying a bottle of cow milk.
buying a product from a shelf is nothing like hiring a hitman.
Yeah, I used a metaphor to help explain how you can be found responsible for something even if you didn't do the thing yourself.
but your analogy doesn't reflect the reality of the situation
I guess I don't agree with you. If I buy a product that specifically requires the death of an animal I would feel like I am responsible for the death of that animal and monetarily incentivising the death of other animals.
If I pay a hitman to kill someone I am not innocent of murder.
You don't get to support an industry that kills animals and then say you're not responsible for the death of animals.
the animal is dead long before I walk into a store or restaurant, and the people who did the killing have already been paid. I have no responsibility for that.
no one is raping cows
Without getting into a semantics debate on what rape is. The reason the word is used is because dairy cows are impregnated by fisting the cows asshole and stimulating their cervix before squirting a semen gun into their vagina. The cows cannot consent to this so the word rape is used. Some people might not consider it rape for whatever reason and yes, the word was probably chosen to be provocative. But that's the explanation.
it's not rape. it's a veterinary procedure. animals don't consent to any veterinary procedures. it's not rape.
Who are you trying to convince?
anyone who is willing to think about it for longer than it takes to repeat a slogan.
Everyone who drinks milk is funding the repeated rape of cows, to be more specific.
False. I drink goat milk!
Isn't the dairy industry heavily subsidized so would anyone paying taxes be doing that too?
Do you pay taxes?
You see part of the problem with the system then. This is why vegans go as far as possible and practicable, because animal abuse is built into everything and is not optional. We're trying to minimize it where we can, and use that momentum to eventually get rid of some of the malevolent built in nonsense we all have to deal with. Nobody should be subsidizing cow rapists and murders, and it shouldn't be a requirement to live here to.
Your language makes you sound like an anti-abortion nutcase.
Cow rapist!
Baby killer!
It's all the same to someone that doesn't feel as strongly about your beliefs as you.
Sorry, do you have another term for the non consensual penetration of someone's ass and vagina? I'm listening.
Turns out the answer was "no". Color me surprised.
See?
It's the exact same language.
'So what else do you call baby killing?'
It's a question designed with no answer.
Abortion, a medical procedure to remove a fetus, not the same thing.
What's another term for the unwanted penetration of someone's ass and vagina? You didn't like the term I gave you, stage is yours.
You're obviously not listening to what I'm saying.
I understand you have strong feelings about your beliefs but not everyone does.
When you attack someone for not sharing your feelings you are as bad as the anti-abortion people or the republicans who want to take away the rights of the LGBTs.
it's not someone, it's livestock.
it's a veterinary procedure called artificial insemination.
no one is raping cows
lol
How the fuck did you think milk was produced? This is literally grade school biology. Farmers rape cows for their milk, and you pay them for the privilege.
You make it sound like the farmers are all about the cow 'tang.
They probably get off on fisting the cow's asshole before they even shove the insemination gun in tbh
They literally made cow tang their job.
I think you seriously underestimate how much non-human raping goes on in the animal world. Many species have dicks that have evolved specifically to facilitate rape.
And...?
What does that have to do with humans choosing to rape cows for profit? Total non-sequitur. Bears shit in the woods, does that mean you do too? Animals rape, therefore you should too?
Sometimes I shit in the woods 🖐️ not cause bears do it, just cause there's no toilets out there and it is kinda nice tbh
I would never buy animal products tho, that shit is fucked up 😬
no one is raping cows
It's literally penetrating a genitals to impregnate them against their will for our own benefit, the definition of rape. Saying you don't care about the rape of cows and will keep eating dairy is your opinion, but denying that it is rape is just straight up cognitive dissonance.
it's not rape. it's a veterinary procedure.
you claim it's against their will but how can you prove that?