What proves this footage is really what the article claims it to be? It's a very specific explanation for what appears quite vague.
I just don't want to go sharing something we cannot actually verify as true. There's a lot of other stuff mentioned in the article a lot of which we know to be true, but that isn't proof of this claim.
What exactly is vague about being naked (mostly) with hands tied behind their back while walking through a building? What explanation do you have for such an event?
Something like this could easily be a simple prisoner transfer. This is one idea.
In general, we don't know the where, the why, or the who. Movies have worse scenes than this. Nothing is beyond fabrication. Why were they filming and who posted the video? There are myriad possibilities.
There are already many clear-cut reasons to be critical of Israel, but it should still matter what is actually fact and what is fiction, shouldn't it?
Movies have worse scenes than this.
Heard it here first folks, if it's in a movie, it's not a war crime any more.
I'll say that I mostly agree, it's good to be critical and sceptical, but I do think that defense is well worse than lukewarm. I'd almost say if you treat your prisoners anywhere near as badly as they do in most movies, you're already well into war crime territory.
It's not a defense - I am just expressing how hard it is to really know what's going on. It's a good article though, and Common Dreams despite a strong liberal bias are known for factual reporting. There's a good chance this is real, and that really sucks.
You're kidding me right? This is in Arabic for a start. I don't speak Arabic. It looks on the face of it a vague as before otherwise. Help me out here.
You can press the closed captions button and click auto translate to English.
It's a magical world out there.
TIL, thanks!
And we can trust what's being said you think?
Yes of course. The narration matches the video evidence.
I posted a translated version yesterday. I will link it below. It took a dip in the internet JPEG fryer so quality is not as great anymore.
It'd be fantastic to not have the dramatic music and narrative overlay and have a translated version of the original footage and any dialogue that's going on. We have Al Jazeera to blame for that though.
Israel using human shields was what bothered me in the video. To each their own.
And yet that's the narrative, not necessarily what is actually going on. There's a reason it's not a story published on Reuters, or AP, or even English Al Jazeera that I can find at least. There's plenty of criticism of Israel in all of these. No reason why they wouldn't run a story with evidence of the IDF using human shields. They ran this story after all.
The Arab version of Al Jazeera publishes the good stuff. English media is censoredwhen it comes to anything NSFW that is not nudity related.
Maybe in terms of visuals, but they will publish the story itself if the evidence is strong. There was the story involving the hood of a car. That one I know is real.
My skepticism here should not be interpreted as some kind of stubbornness to acknowledge the IDF are committing war crimes. They absolutely are.
But I don't think this story is what it looks like, and I am sure Al Jazeera are embellishing a lot of content that is being published on social media.
Hang on... So you aren't going to trust a primary source from a country that doesn't speak English, unless said source is in English? The fuck? Of course it's in fucking Arabic, it was filmed in an Arabic-speaking country. Put it through a translator like the rest of the world did.
So you're volunteering to go looking for explosives without drones, weapons, or any other equipment normally given to EOD soldiers? The idea that this footage is normal is ridiculous to anyone whose spent even a second in a western military.
Why isn't it being reported on any other news service than Al Jazeera Arabic and Commom Dreams then? Am indictment against the IDF like this would absolutely be published in Reuters or the AP and many others.
Did you miss the story about them tying a wounded Palestinian to the front of a vehicle? There's this Reuters story too.
There is a pattern of behavior here and it's not the Palestinians lying.
The car hood event is a sample of one. You can't prove a pattern of behavior of a military using human shields with that. That's not how patterns work.
How many examples of using a human shield would you like?
I'm guessing it's whatever there's evidence for, and then one more. After all you're down to nitpicking the subcategories of human shields.
More than one, for a start. The accusation is that there's a pattern. One does not a pattern make.
Good because there's two right there.
That's a start then. I hope you're wrong.
I think we're still a long way from reasonably comparing Hamas's use of human shields and Martyrs among their own people, to this.
I do think there are likely a very significant number of IDF soldiers who are monsters who treat Palestinians as subhuman out of pure prejudice and maybe psychopathy. Because of course there are in any military, and very likely moreso in this one. But there is insufficient evidence this applies systemically more than to a very small minority, and more in the IDF than wider Israeli society of course. But they're still not motivated by anything specific in the culture except a long history of conflict. There is no intrinsic reason for even psychopathic Jews to be prejudiced toward Palestinians on the basis of Judaism. Not so the other way around, when there is well established hatred of Jews in Islam.
This matters, and I remain sure history will remember this following what's to come (especially if Trump wins the election).
Not really, stuff like this doesn't keep coming up because it's a one time thing. This is multiple units, in multiple locations, at multiple times.
It's two instances over a war that's already been in progress for 8 months.
It really isn't. There's more video out there, just not as well corroborated.
Sure, but that makes all the difference. You and I can believe what we want, but put us in positions of power and influence, and it matters what is corroborated before we make sweeping decisions with huge ramifications for future well being. I try to aspire to that threshold of responsibility. Otherwise, what's the good in commenting or posting?
What proves this footage is really what the article claims it to be? It's a very specific explanation for what appears quite vague.
I just don't want to go sharing something we cannot actually verify as true. There's a lot of other stuff mentioned in the article a lot of which we know to be true, but that isn't proof of this claim.
What exactly is vague about being naked (mostly) with hands tied behind their back while walking through a building? What explanation do you have for such an event?
Something like this could easily be a simple prisoner transfer. This is one idea.
In general, we don't know the where, the why, or the who. Movies have worse scenes than this. Nothing is beyond fabrication. Why were they filming and who posted the video? There are myriad possibilities.
There are already many clear-cut reasons to be critical of Israel, but it should still matter what is actually fact and what is fiction, shouldn't it?
Heard it here first folks, if it's in a movie, it's not a war crime any more.
I'll say that I mostly agree, it's good to be critical and sceptical, but I do think that defense is well worse than lukewarm. I'd almost say if you treat your prisoners anywhere near as badly as they do in most movies, you're already well into war crime territory.
It's not a defense - I am just expressing how hard it is to really know what's going on. It's a good article though, and Common Dreams despite a strong liberal bias are known for factual reporting. There's a good chance this is real, and that really sucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSbWuGSGOBo Here's the video. There's nothing vague about it.
You're kidding me right? This is in Arabic for a start. I don't speak Arabic. It looks on the face of it a vague as before otherwise. Help me out here.
You can press the closed captions button and click auto translate to English.
It's a magical world out there.
TIL, thanks!
And we can trust what's being said you think?
Yes of course. The narration matches the video evidence.
I posted a translated version yesterday. I will link it below. It took a dip in the internet JPEG fryer so quality is not as great anymore.
https://files.catbox.moe/busmfb.mp4
It'd be fantastic to not have the dramatic music and narrative overlay and have a translated version of the original footage and any dialogue that's going on. We have Al Jazeera to blame for that though.
Israel using human shields was what bothered me in the video. To each their own.
And yet that's the narrative, not necessarily what is actually going on. There's a reason it's not a story published on Reuters, or AP, or even English Al Jazeera that I can find at least. There's plenty of criticism of Israel in all of these. No reason why they wouldn't run a story with evidence of the IDF using human shields. They ran this story after all.
The Arab version of Al Jazeera publishes the good stuff. English media is censoredwhen it comes to anything NSFW that is not nudity related.
Maybe in terms of visuals, but they will publish the story itself if the evidence is strong. There was the story involving the hood of a car. That one I know is real.
My skepticism here should not be interpreted as some kind of stubbornness to acknowledge the IDF are committing war crimes. They absolutely are.
But I don't think this story is what it looks like, and I am sure Al Jazeera are embellishing a lot of content that is being published on social media.
Hang on... So you aren't going to trust a primary source from a country that doesn't speak English, unless said source is in English? The fuck? Of course it's in fucking Arabic, it was filmed in an Arabic-speaking country. Put it through a translator like the rest of the world did.
So you're volunteering to go looking for explosives without drones, weapons, or any other equipment normally given to EOD soldiers? The idea that this footage is normal is ridiculous to anyone whose spent even a second in a western military.
Why isn't it being reported on any other news service than Al Jazeera Arabic and Commom Dreams then? Am indictment against the IDF like this would absolutely be published in Reuters or the AP and many others.
Did you miss the story about them tying a wounded Palestinian to the front of a vehicle? There's this Reuters story too.
Oh and here's Haaretz.
There is a pattern of behavior here and it's not the Palestinians lying.
The car hood event is a sample of one. You can't prove a pattern of behavior of a military using human shields with that. That's not how patterns work.
How many examples of using a human shield would you like?
I'm guessing it's whatever there's evidence for, and then one more. After all you're down to nitpicking the subcategories of human shields.
More than one, for a start. The accusation is that there's a pattern. One does not a pattern make.
Good because there's two right there.
That's a start then. I hope you're wrong.
I think we're still a long way from reasonably comparing Hamas's use of human shields and Martyrs among their own people, to this.
I do think there are likely a very significant number of IDF soldiers who are monsters who treat Palestinians as subhuman out of pure prejudice and maybe psychopathy. Because of course there are in any military, and very likely moreso in this one. But there is insufficient evidence this applies systemically more than to a very small minority, and more in the IDF than wider Israeli society of course. But they're still not motivated by anything specific in the culture except a long history of conflict. There is no intrinsic reason for even psychopathic Jews to be prejudiced toward Palestinians on the basis of Judaism. Not so the other way around, when there is well established hatred of Jews in Islam.
This matters, and I remain sure history will remember this following what's to come (especially if Trump wins the election).
Not really, stuff like this doesn't keep coming up because it's a one time thing. This is multiple units, in multiple locations, at multiple times.
It's two instances over a war that's already been in progress for 8 months.
It really isn't. There's more video out there, just not as well corroborated.
Sure, but that makes all the difference. You and I can believe what we want, but put us in positions of power and influence, and it matters what is corroborated before we make sweeping decisions with huge ramifications for future well being. I try to aspire to that threshold of responsibility. Otherwise, what's the good in commenting or posting?