America, Don’t Succumb to Escapism

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America, Don’t Succumb to Escapism
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The most appropriate comparison is not the USSR.

The most appropriate comparison is Germany in 1932, when the Nazi Party finally gained control of the German parlaiment, culminating in Hitler’s appointment as Reichchancellor on 30 January the following year.

The fact that the article ignores the obvious and most pertinent historical parallel kind of ruins any rhetorical points it’s trying to make for me.

And the leader who preceded Hitler, and whose blunders helped Hitler gain power, was Paul von Hindenburg.

Von Hindenburg, running for his second term at 84, was widely regarded as being too old and incompetent. For the centrists and center-left parties, he was their only hope in defeating Hitler.

After Von Hindenburg's defeat, Hitler passed the Enabling Act to assume full power.

History may not repeat, but it rhymes.

Not quite right, Von Hindenburg was president while Hitler became chancelor. It was generally thought the politically very experienced Von Hindenburg would be able to control the newcomer Hitler. It was the other way around.

You mean Joe Biden who is supporting Genocide in a concentration camp should be compared to Hitler?

Oh fuck off dude. I detest his support for the Israeli government, but you and I both know Trump would be ordering B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza, and then would strike a deal with Bibi to build a new beachfront Trump Tower.

If only you cared as much about Biden killing Palestinians as you do for Trump.

But if you accept what Biden does I doubt you'll have a problem with what you believe Trump would do.

Fuck off with this bullshit. Biden isn't killing a single fucking Palestinian. Netanyahu is. And Netanyahu is bitching that we're not giving him the arms fast enough for his liking, so obviously there's something Biden's trying to do to stop this bullshit. Trump has said he's good with every last Palestinian being killed, and he wants to bring Netanyahu's authoritarianism here to the States so he can lock up Leftists like me and presumably you. Those are our choices -- Biden, who is slowing down the flow of arms to Israel, and Trump who wants to bring Israel's treatment of minorities over to the USA. Who do you support?

Linkerbaan is a troll, I hope you know that. Anti-Biden stuff is all they ever post or talk about.

I know that and I hear what you're trying to say. But we're not going to win by not feeding the trolls. We know this. They know this. And we know they know this. So troll or not, I must debunk him.

I dunno about you, but if one of my friends was pulling a Netanyahu, then I'd have to do a lot more than just "slowing down the flow of arms into Israel".

Unfortunately, you're not running for President.

In January of 2025, one of two men will take the Oath of Office. One has a plan for 2025. You might say a Project 2025. And it's going to end badly for everyone, including the people you profess to support as a single-issue voter.

Thanks for being honest about the Genocide Denial. Refreshment from all the whataboutism libs pretending to care.

Netanyahu holds the reins, so in the most literal sense blaming Biden to cover for Netanyahu is a moral denial of who is really responsible. Unless responsibility means something different in your country.

It looks like the title of an article with a URL underneath it.

It looks like you're still giving Biden credit for Netanyahu's actions.

Do you know how Congress has operated for the last 15 years? It hasn't. The Biden administration effectively has to bypass Congress for anything they want to do. I don't really like it but I'm not stupid enough to fall for a bullshit argument especially not when it gives Netanyahu a pass for killing the people you think you're defending.

Did you click the link

Holy fuck, guy. I don’t like Biden. He’s simply the lesser of two evils, and there is most definitely going to be a choice between a greater and lesser evil in November.

Cool story who asked?

Right back at you

Just wondering if you were suggesting Biden is not complicit in Genocide.

No, I think he is.

But the way you approach the matter, habitually ignoring context - historical, regional, political, and geopolitical - and making reductive jibes towards people trying to have serious conversations (about, I should add, topics that are often tangential or uncorrelated to the Gaza genocide) is incredibly fucking abrasive and has tempted me to outright block you more than once. When you do that, you’re not engaging other users, or changing anyone’s mind. You’re just pushing them away.

The guy said Trump should be compared to Hitler, I just wondered how Biden who is supporting Genocide in a concentration camp is not already there.

As usual the only response is 'but Trump!' because the point I made cannot be refuted.

The United States of America asks this question every 4 years