The most appropriate comparison is Germany in 1932, when the Nazi Party finally gained control of the German parlaiment, culminating in Hitler’s appointment as Reichchancellor on 30 January the following year.
The fact that the article ignores the obvious and most pertinent historical parallel kind of ruins any rhetorical points it’s trying to make for me.
And the leader who preceded Hitler, and whose blunders helped Hitler gain power, was Paul von Hindenburg.
Von Hindenburg, running for his second term at 84, was widely regarded as being too old and incompetent. For the centrists and center-left parties, he was their only hope in defeating Hitler.
After Von Hindenburg's defeat, Hitler passed the Enabling Act to assume full power.
History may not repeat, but it rhymes.
Stfu that's crazy
Not quite right, Von Hindenburg was president while Hitler became chancelor. It was generally thought the politically very experienced Von Hindenburg would be able to control the newcomer Hitler. It was the other way around.
You mean Joe Biden who is supporting Genocide in a concentration camp should be compared to Hitler?
Oh fuck off dude. I detest his support for the Israeli government, but you and I both know Trump would be ordering B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza, and then would strike a deal with Bibi to build a new beachfront Trump Tower.
If only you cared as much about Biden killing Palestinians as you do for Trump.
But if you accept what Biden does I doubt you'll have a problem with what you believe Trump would do.
Fuck off with this bullshit. Biden isn't killing a single fucking Palestinian. Netanyahu is. And Netanyahu is bitching that we're not giving him the arms fast enough for his liking, so obviously there's something Biden's trying to do to stop this bullshit. Trump has said he's good with every last Palestinian being killed, and he wants to bring Netanyahu's authoritarianism here to the States so he can lock up Leftists like me and presumably you. Those are our choices -- Biden, who is slowing down the flow of arms to Israel, and Trump who wants to bring Israel's treatment of minorities over to the USA. Who do you support?
Linkerbaan is a troll, I hope you know that. Anti-Biden stuff is all they ever post or talk about.
I know that and I hear what you're trying to say. But we're not going to win by not feeding the trolls. We know this. They know this. And we know they know this. So troll or not, I must debunk him.
I dunno about you, but if one of my friends was pulling a Netanyahu, then I'd have to do a lot more than just "slowing down the flow of arms into Israel".
Unfortunately, you're not running for President.
In January of 2025, one of two men will take the Oath of Office. One has a plan for 2025. You might say a Project 2025. And it's going to end badly for everyone, including the people you profess to support as a single-issue voter.
Thanks for being honest about the Genocide Denial. Refreshment from all the whataboutism libs pretending to care.
Netanyahu holds the reins, so in the most literal sense blaming Biden to cover for Netanyahu is a moral denial of who is really responsible. Unless responsibility means something different in your country.
It looks like the title of an article with a URL underneath it.
It looks like you're still giving Biden credit for Netanyahu's actions.
Do you know how Congress has operated for the last 15 years? It hasn't. The Biden administration effectively has to bypass Congress for anything they want to do. I don't really like it but I'm not stupid enough to fall for a bullshit argument especially not when it gives Netanyahu a pass for killing the people you think you're defending.
Did you click the link
Holy fuck, guy. I don’t like Biden. He’s simply the lesser of two evils, and there is most definitely going to be a choice between a greater and lesser evil in November.
Cool story who asked?
Right back at you
Just wondering if you were suggesting Biden is not complicit in Genocide.
No, I think he is.
But the way you approach the matter, habitually ignoring context - historical, regional, political, and geopolitical - and making reductive jibes towards people trying to have serious conversations (about, I should add, topics that are often tangential or uncorrelated to the Gaza genocide) is incredibly fucking abrasive and has tempted me to outright block you more than once. When you do that, you’re not engaging other users, or changing anyone’s mind. You’re just pushing them away.
The guy said Trump should be compared to Hitler, I just wondered how Biden who is supporting Genocide in a concentration camp is not already there.
As usual the only response is 'but Trump!' because the point I made cannot be refuted.
This is another case in point.
Also, the guy == me
I think I’m done interacting with you, for good.
The United States of America asks this question every 4 years
Yes.
Well what can you do? We can't unite because of the extreme polarization. Plus one polarized half thinks if we just cut all taxes somehow shit would get paid for. How do you come to concessions with that? Think Tanks decided to fuck with people's heads to keep the wealthy rich and after nearly 100 years of brainwashing we are no longer fucken coherent. We're fucked, because we can't even agree who is accountable for this shit or what we need to do to fix it. This was always the end goal of the Heritage Foundation.
Yeah, no, I'm literally making escape plans. Just this week the street between our house and our kid's daycare got shut down in the middle of the day for an unannounced parade, and my wife had a fucking panic attack thinking it might be some sort of Proud Boys or Oathkeepers-type march and they were gonna run amok and we'd be cut off from him. I don't plan to stick around long enough to see that happen for real when Project 2025 kicks off, thank you.
Where are you planning to go? I'm inclined to want to leave, but I have no idea where to go.
The "easiest" would be Israel since my wife qualifies under the Law of Return, but we're both staunchly anti-Zionist, so... ugh. Right now I'm looking closest at Ireland, since my profession is on the Critical Skills Employment Permit list and I work in a niche that is well-matched to the Irish pharma/life sciences sector. In a pinch I'd lobby for a transfer to my company's Canadian branch office, but that's not optimal for a few reasons.
ETA: for permanent emigration, the thing you want to do is find a country where you can speak or at least quickly learn the language, and where you can get employment in a sector that's on their list of critical needs. In most cases you can't get a visa that lets you stay and work long-term without first getting a job offer. In terms of flexibility, someplace in the EU has a lot of appeal, since you can work basically anywhere in the Schengen area after you gain permanent residency. Australia and New Zealand are attractive mainly for being well-isolated from all the regional wars that seem like they're waiting to kick off just as soon as American muscle isn't backing up NATO or Taiwan, but it's a lot harder to get those visas.
Canada's not far behind the US in terms of stupid, especially if Bitcoin Milhouse wins the next election, as he is widely expected to. Our house prices are even more fucked than yours too, so if you come here, bring caaaaaash.
Might as well look elsewhere so you don't have to repeat the exercise in a decade when it goes to shit here too.
Eeeeexactly. My wife is lobbying for it (because she loathes air travel, mostly) but I have no interest in moving to Cold United States just for a marginal and temporary gain in freedom. It'd be a last-ditch option.
Yeah I second EU for right of travel and work as OP mentioned. Also countries like France have artist and business owners visas like US' H-1B visas. Application for residency process is relatively painless compared to US/UK/CAN. Sponsorship by a company from your country that does business in the EU is also a very popular way to get in.
Yeah no, don't go to France, seems like we're trying to speedrun the road to fascism, so might not be a great plan either...
EU politics generally seem to be taking a sudden rightward lurch of late, with immigration being a major driver. All that history of African colonialism coming home to roost is making people with a fixed, racially-homogenous sense of their national identity into very unhappy campers. Of the countries not actively sliding into fascism, Putin seems to be ogling with hungry eyes in anticipation of NATO's defanging. Things look pretty dire across the board, to be honest -- between fascism, looming war, and climate change it's all about least-bad options right now.
...but seriously, I've been learning French for almost four years now (a) in order to widen my options beyond the Anglosphere in general, and (b) because a whole bunch of tropical islands are part of France (including Tahiti) and I'd like to get a liveaboard sailboat and visit some of them.
I figure having a specific destination planned becomes less important if you're taking your home with you. It's really being able to get out before the shit hits the fan that's the issue, and not having to worry about finding a job willing to sponsor a work visa in order to settle in a particular place seems like it would make that easier.
Worst-case scenario, if the boat's cheap enough your living expenses can be low enough to support yourself bouncing around from port to port working odd jobs.
Come to California. We'll fight.
My wife is a 3rd generation Irish immigrant, meaning she can apply for dual citizenship and I can get Irish citizenship as a "needed specialist."
It's not the easiest escape plan, especially since it would mean abandoning her aging father, but at least we can get out of here if/when the Brown Shirts come for us.
We're looking in the same direction, since I qualify under the same program. I'm looking at companies to start communicating with about job opportunities now.
Wait 3rd gen can get dual citizenship in ireland?? I thought it was only up to 2nd gen
I might have put my generations wrong, her grandfather was born in Ireland, so I think you're right in that she's actually a second generation immigrant.
Exactly. Just actually do it. Remember the people who escaped Germany left before the election. Those who left after had a much harder time.
It is much easier to move without stuff whether that means selling or storing your collection of mostly junk. I took a leisurely route and brought about 40 suitcases total to the other side of the world in a few trips. The rest of the crap I bought over the years is rotting in a cheap storage unit. Your ancestors somewhere down the line immigrated with just the bags they could carry in one trip or nothing.
Depending on your financial situation and if you have at least one family member with a secondary passport there are options. Just don't poison them by "moving" as a tourist, trying to work, and then getting deported. Immigration is difficult, even for Americans. But it is possible.
I feel a little weird agreeing with the headline while scrolling endlessly on reddit and lemmy
What a tone deaf article.
It is not wrong and makes some vague nods at Project 2025 or what Mark Esper said, but mostly, yes. This article is about 75% “both sides.”
It’s like the building is on fire and someone’s standing up at length and explaining how hiding in a corner isn’t a good idea, how the high height of the building and the increasing fire and the people who are actively blocking the exits are all valid significant concerns…
Like bro LET’S FIGHT THE FIRE OR GET OUT OF THE BUILDING.
Any article that includes phrases like “Frustration at the political sclerosis in Washington” or “a broken two-party system, growing partisan divisions” is a bunch of shit
The problem is THEY WANT TO KILL THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENTS AND THE SUPREME COURT SAID IT IS OKAY FOR THEM TO DO THAT
That’s not fucking POLITICAL SCLEROSIS
You pretty much encapsulated how I feel about it. This article is trash in the conscious belief that I might have to exercise violence to protect my family from people that think we're an abomination to their fake friend in the sky.
I fucking HATE political weasel words like this. Fucking say the truth. One side is aiming for a fascist dictatorship. The Republicans.
Back in the 1990s it was pretty accurate. Both parties were trash, okay yeah there was a marginal amount of difference I guess but they were both engaged in fucking the American people and barely distinguishable at the end of the day.
Since then, the Democrats got a moderate amount better, and the Republicans turned into open Nazis. Anyone still saying "political gridlock" or whatever it is is the problem, had better wake the fuck up.
The part that really blows my mind is places like the New York Times getting all pissy with Biden, apparently because his staff wouldn't set up an interview with him or treat the NYT like kings of the realm like they though they deserved, and so they've decided to go after him like Joffrey after someone hurt his feelings. They will absolutely be out of work looking for new careers in an unfolding hellscape, at best, or maybe in the dock in a show trial or worse, if Project 2025 gets off the ground. They are literally endangering their own individual personal safety. I don't get it.
I just want to die
I just want Trump and the vast majority of congress and the Supreme Court to die.
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
... Not with a bang, but...
The most appropriate comparison is not the USSR.
The most appropriate comparison is Germany in 1932, when the Nazi Party finally gained control of the German parlaiment, culminating in Hitler’s appointment as Reichchancellor on 30 January the following year.
The fact that the article ignores the obvious and most pertinent historical parallel kind of ruins any rhetorical points it’s trying to make for me.
And the leader who preceded Hitler, and whose blunders helped Hitler gain power, was Paul von Hindenburg.
Von Hindenburg, running for his second term at 84, was widely regarded as being too old and incompetent. For the centrists and center-left parties, he was their only hope in defeating Hitler.
After Von Hindenburg's defeat, Hitler passed the Enabling Act to assume full power.
History may not repeat, but it rhymes.
Stfu that's crazy
Not quite right, Von Hindenburg was president while Hitler became chancelor. It was generally thought the politically very experienced Von Hindenburg would be able to control the newcomer Hitler. It was the other way around.
You mean Joe Biden who is supporting Genocide in a concentration camp should be compared to Hitler?
Oh fuck off dude. I detest his support for the Israeli government, but you and I both know Trump would be ordering B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza, and then would strike a deal with Bibi to build a new beachfront Trump Tower.
If only you cared as much about Biden killing Palestinians as you do for Trump.
But if you accept what Biden does I doubt you'll have a problem with what you believe Trump would do.
Fuck off with this bullshit. Biden isn't killing a single fucking Palestinian. Netanyahu is. And Netanyahu is bitching that we're not giving him the arms fast enough for his liking, so obviously there's something Biden's trying to do to stop this bullshit. Trump has said he's good with every last Palestinian being killed, and he wants to bring Netanyahu's authoritarianism here to the States so he can lock up Leftists like me and presumably you. Those are our choices -- Biden, who is slowing down the flow of arms to Israel, and Trump who wants to bring Israel's treatment of minorities over to the USA. Who do you support?
Linkerbaan is a troll, I hope you know that. Anti-Biden stuff is all they ever post or talk about.
I know that and I hear what you're trying to say. But we're not going to win by not feeding the trolls. We know this. They know this. And we know they know this. So troll or not, I must debunk him.
I dunno about you, but if one of my friends was pulling a Netanyahu, then I'd have to do a lot more than just "slowing down the flow of arms into Israel".
Unfortunately, you're not running for President.
In January of 2025, one of two men will take the Oath of Office. One has a plan for 2025. You might say a Project 2025. And it's going to end badly for everyone, including the people you profess to support as a single-issue voter.
Thanks for being honest about the Genocide Denial. Refreshment from all the whataboutism libs pretending to care.
Netanyahu holds the reins, so in the most literal sense blaming Biden to cover for Netanyahu is a moral denial of who is really responsible. Unless responsibility means something different in your country.
What do you believe this sentence means
It looks like the title of an article with a URL underneath it.
It looks like you're still giving Biden credit for Netanyahu's actions.
Do you know how Congress has operated for the last 15 years? It hasn't. The Biden administration effectively has to bypass Congress for anything they want to do. I don't really like it but I'm not stupid enough to fall for a bullshit argument especially not when it gives Netanyahu a pass for killing the people you think you're defending.
Did you click the link
Holy fuck, guy. I don’t like Biden. He’s simply the lesser of two evils, and there is most definitely going to be a choice between a greater and lesser evil in November.
Cool story who asked?
Right back at you
Just wondering if you were suggesting Biden is not complicit in Genocide.
No, I think he is.
But the way you approach the matter, habitually ignoring context - historical, regional, political, and geopolitical - and making reductive jibes towards people trying to have serious conversations (about, I should add, topics that are often tangential or uncorrelated to the Gaza genocide) is incredibly fucking abrasive and has tempted me to outright block you more than once. When you do that, you’re not engaging other users, or changing anyone’s mind. You’re just pushing them away.
The guy said Trump should be compared to Hitler, I just wondered how Biden who is supporting Genocide in a concentration camp is not already there.
As usual the only response is 'but Trump!' because the point I made cannot be refuted.
This is another case in point.
Also, the guy == me
I think I’m done interacting with you, for good.
The United States of America asks this question every 4 years
Yes.
Well what can you do? We can't unite because of the extreme polarization. Plus one polarized half thinks if we just cut all taxes somehow shit would get paid for. How do you come to concessions with that? Think Tanks decided to fuck with people's heads to keep the wealthy rich and after nearly 100 years of brainwashing we are no longer fucken coherent. We're fucked, because we can't even agree who is accountable for this shit or what we need to do to fix it. This was always the end goal of the Heritage Foundation.
Yeah, no, I'm literally making escape plans. Just this week the street between our house and our kid's daycare got shut down in the middle of the day for an unannounced parade, and my wife had a fucking panic attack thinking it might be some sort of Proud Boys or Oathkeepers-type march and they were gonna run amok and we'd be cut off from him. I don't plan to stick around long enough to see that happen for real when Project 2025 kicks off, thank you.
Where are you planning to go? I'm inclined to want to leave, but I have no idea where to go.
The "easiest" would be Israel since my wife qualifies under the Law of Return, but we're both staunchly anti-Zionist, so... ugh. Right now I'm looking closest at Ireland, since my profession is on the Critical Skills Employment Permit list and I work in a niche that is well-matched to the Irish pharma/life sciences sector. In a pinch I'd lobby for a transfer to my company's Canadian branch office, but that's not optimal for a few reasons.
ETA: for permanent emigration, the thing you want to do is find a country where you can speak or at least quickly learn the language, and where you can get employment in a sector that's on their list of critical needs. In most cases you can't get a visa that lets you stay and work long-term without first getting a job offer. In terms of flexibility, someplace in the EU has a lot of appeal, since you can work basically anywhere in the Schengen area after you gain permanent residency. Australia and New Zealand are attractive mainly for being well-isolated from all the regional wars that seem like they're waiting to kick off just as soon as American muscle isn't backing up NATO or Taiwan, but it's a lot harder to get those visas.
Canada's not far behind the US in terms of stupid, especially if Bitcoin Milhouse wins the next election, as he is widely expected to. Our house prices are even more fucked than yours too, so if you come here, bring caaaaaash.
Might as well look elsewhere so you don't have to repeat the exercise in a decade when it goes to shit here too.
Eeeeexactly. My wife is lobbying for it (because she loathes air travel, mostly) but I have no interest in moving to Cold United States just for a marginal and temporary gain in freedom. It'd be a last-ditch option.
Yeah I second EU for right of travel and work as OP mentioned. Also countries like France have artist and business owners visas like US' H-1B visas. Application for residency process is relatively painless compared to US/UK/CAN. Sponsorship by a company from your country that does business in the EU is also a very popular way to get in.
Yeah no, don't go to France, seems like we're trying to speedrun the road to fascism, so might not be a great plan either...
EU politics generally seem to be taking a sudden rightward lurch of late, with immigration being a major driver. All that history of African colonialism coming home to roost is making people with a fixed, racially-homogenous sense of their national identity into very unhappy campers. Of the countries not actively sliding into fascism, Putin seems to be ogling with hungry eyes in anticipation of NATO's defanging. Things look pretty dire across the board, to be honest -- between fascism, looming war, and climate change it's all about least-bad options right now.
...but seriously, I've been learning French for almost four years now (a) in order to widen my options beyond the Anglosphere in general, and (b) because a whole bunch of tropical islands are part of France (including Tahiti) and I'd like to get a liveaboard sailboat and visit some of them.
I figure having a specific destination planned becomes less important if you're taking your home with you. It's really being able to get out before the shit hits the fan that's the issue, and not having to worry about finding a job willing to sponsor a work visa in order to settle in a particular place seems like it would make that easier.
Worst-case scenario, if the boat's cheap enough your living expenses can be low enough to support yourself bouncing around from port to port working odd jobs.
Come to California. We'll fight.
My wife is a 3rd generation Irish immigrant, meaning she can apply for dual citizenship and I can get Irish citizenship as a "needed specialist."
It's not the easiest escape plan, especially since it would mean abandoning her aging father, but at least we can get out of here if/when the Brown Shirts come for us.
We're looking in the same direction, since I qualify under the same program. I'm looking at companies to start communicating with about job opportunities now.
Wait 3rd gen can get dual citizenship in ireland?? I thought it was only up to 2nd gen
I might have put my generations wrong, her grandfather was born in Ireland, so I think you're right in that she's actually a second generation immigrant.
Exactly. Just actually do it. Remember the people who escaped Germany left before the election. Those who left after had a much harder time.
It is much easier to move without stuff whether that means selling or storing your collection of mostly junk. I took a leisurely route and brought about 40 suitcases total to the other side of the world in a few trips. The rest of the crap I bought over the years is rotting in a cheap storage unit. Your ancestors somewhere down the line immigrated with just the bags they could carry in one trip or nothing.
Depending on your financial situation and if you have at least one family member with a secondary passport there are options. Just don't poison them by "moving" as a tourist, trying to work, and then getting deported. Immigration is difficult, even for Americans. But it is possible.
I feel a little weird agreeing with the headline while scrolling endlessly on reddit and lemmy
What a tone deaf article.
It is not wrong and makes some vague nods at Project 2025 or what Mark Esper said, but mostly, yes. This article is about 75% “both sides.”
It’s like the building is on fire and someone’s standing up at length and explaining how hiding in a corner isn’t a good idea, how the high height of the building and the increasing fire and the people who are actively blocking the exits are all valid significant concerns…
Like bro LET’S FIGHT THE FIRE OR GET OUT OF THE BUILDING.
Any article that includes phrases like “Frustration at the political sclerosis in Washington” or “a broken two-party system, growing partisan divisions” is a bunch of shit
The problem is THEY WANT TO KILL THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENTS AND THE SUPREME COURT SAID IT IS OKAY FOR THEM TO DO THAT
That’s not fucking POLITICAL SCLEROSIS
You pretty much encapsulated how I feel about it. This article is trash in the conscious belief that I might have to exercise violence to protect my family from people that think we're an abomination to their fake friend in the sky.
I fucking HATE political weasel words like this. Fucking say the truth. One side is aiming for a fascist dictatorship. The Republicans.
Back in the 1990s it was pretty accurate. Both parties were trash, okay yeah there was a marginal amount of difference I guess but they were both engaged in fucking the American people and barely distinguishable at the end of the day.
Since then, the Democrats got a moderate amount better, and the Republicans turned into open Nazis. Anyone still saying "political gridlock" or whatever it is is the problem, had better wake the fuck up.
The part that really blows my mind is places like the New York Times getting all pissy with Biden, apparently because his staff wouldn't set up an interview with him or treat the NYT like kings of the realm like they though they deserved, and so they've decided to go after him like Joffrey after someone hurt his feelings. They will absolutely be out of work looking for new careers in an unfolding hellscape, at best, or maybe in the dock in a show trial or worse, if Project 2025 gets off the ground. They are literally endangering their own individual personal safety. I don't get it.
I just want to die
I just want Trump and the vast majority of congress and the Supreme Court to die.
We need a quarantine zone for you dramatic teenagers.
I'm 33 years old, I don't drink, but I occasionally smoke.... Insert rest of Yoshikage Kira speech here
- https://allpoetry.com/the-hollow-men