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You think Native groups are incapable of forestalling a right-wing takeover? Fucking yikes!

"OnLy WhItE pEoPlE uNdErStAnD tHiNgS"

Racist

after centuries of being oppressed by the ruling class? yes, sir. i do, sir.

i think anybody would be incapable of holding together a nation like the usa after that kind of treatment, sir

So that brings us back to my post. A nation that is objectively worse than Nazi Germany should collapse for the sake of the greater good.

but that would lead to a nation closer to nazi germany than where it sits currently, which i feel like everybody would agree is a bad thing

This is an absurd assumption. We are currently WORSE than Nazi Germany, yet you posit the fear that we will become CLOSER.

We are currently WORSE than Nazi Germany

an insane proposition

you wouldn't be able to type that, were you actually in nazi germany, without fear of retribution

We have committed more genocide and are currently more fascistic than Nazi Germany.

But it's good to know you don't consider Palestinians, Latinx immigrants, Sudanese residents, or the many, many demographics we exploit for our economic well-being to be worth your consideration. I'll categorically disregard anything you say from now on. My bad.

We have committed more genocide

by what metric?

total number of genocides participated in, maybe..?

but the state isn't building death camps, and if you compare the death toll in Palestine to those in Nazi Germany it's a stark difference

exploiting workers to death for economic benefit is very objectionably inexcusable, but by definition not genocide, and by attempting to reposition it as such you're lessening the definition of genocide rather than helping the plight of those abused by capitalism

yes, i think allowing the machine of capitalism to churn through lives incidentally is at least marginally better than building a machine specifically designed to churn through as many lives as possible in as short a window as possible

very obviously neither should be happening at all, and the fact either is is frankly disgusting, but you were the one who decided to directly compare them

and are currently more fascistic than Nazi Germany.

again, the fact you're able to type this is proof that it's false

I don't argue with genocide deniers

literally no part of my reply was denying genocide that the us has participated in

OK so what is your problem with returning the land and power to indigenous groups? You surely don't support the United States of America with its history of genocide, slavery, imperialism, and colonialism? Surely you would celebrate the downfall of a state worse than that of Nazi Germany whose most progressive leader (by its own adminission) is a genocide-supporter and border fascist. fascist.

Surely the Indigenous groups wouldn't be worse than the blue or red ghouls?

oh no it's time for circles

what's your plan for returning power to indigenous people without involving a group that's currently in power (and therefore predominantly white, since racism exists), without having right wing populists use the power vacuum to seize control?

again, a group of people that's been oppressed to the degree native americans have is not in a position to govern a nation like america

do you deny the oppression that native americans have faced?

So you agree we should return the land to indigenous groups? Same. Unequivocally.

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And you are denying the genocide that'll happen to those indigenous you propose are going to somehow take over the country.

The military. There is at least one greedy general out there that'll attack with our trillions worth of weapons research.
The nature of the indigenous communities. Okay, so you're giving them to "the Native Americans". I'm assuming that means all of them? Look at this infograph. They occupy less than 10% of USA's land and are spread out incredibly sparsely. If you just give it to one of them, well, that actually would solve a problem. But which one will you give it to? Is the Fox nation racially superior to the Sioux nation? If you give it to all them, they will have to effectively communicate, which is undercut by
The nature of the indigenous communities. Quite a bit of these communities have been recognized by the government as wards of the state and have been isolated by mutual consent. Now you're gonna entrust someone to hand them modern communications, weapons, tools, etc and not use these technologies to take power away from the indigenous instead. How exactly do you propose a power transfer to happen?

I'm not reading all that

I'm happy for you tho

Or sorry that happened

Native Americans

Latinx immigrants

Palestinians

Sudanese

Jewish people

Working class people

Asian people

Many Central and South American groups

You are being ignorant by asking "by what metric" for a nation founded on genocide

Jewish people

you're comparing the us's genocide to nazi germany and jewish people were the ones you chose to bring up?

Yes. We have been worse than Nazi Germany. Objectively. Do you deny historical facts?

oh no it's time for circles

please qualify what you mean by "objectively worse than nazi germany"

thank you

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Are you and your neighbors being dragged into vans in broad daylight to be forced to participate in a pogrom?

Things are bad, I won't discredit that. Bad things are being done, I won't discredit that either. But this sensationalism without basis in historical context is what makes progressives look like lunatics. Language matters, how you address things matters. Just throwing around terms devalues them, and their meaning, and the history behind them.

These are geo-political issues of our times, but there have always been issues and disagreements between the governing body and the populace. Take the Spanish Civil War and the support/dissent that occurred in the US. Don't just throw terms like Nazi around casually and say "Nazi this, Nazi that." There are definitely American Nazis today, and those pieces of shit aren't hiding very much anymore, but Nazi Germany we are not... Yet.

As to the point of the previous commenter, you are able to say this in the open with no fears of reprisal. You couldn't do that in, let's say, modern China or North Korea or Russia. I would argue that these nation states are more aligned with the overt/brutal fascism/Nazi-ism directed at their own populace and their communities abroad that you say America is currently.

You assume I value my life and well-being over that of a Palestinian, immigrant, or Native American. I don't. I'm not that bad a person

Have you sold all your worldly possessions to donate to their causes? If you value your own life and comfort so little, why aren't you over there as an aid worker/missionary? Do you volunteer in native areas? How are you serving these communities by spouting bullshit and arguing with people online?

All I'm seeing right now is a whole bunch of virtue signaling, which isn't even good enough to wipe my ass with. Get out there and serve the greater good instead of being petty on the internet, or shut the fuck up.

Then it sounds like you value your life and comforts more than you let on, you trolling fuck. Can't believe I let you suck me in. Be more constructive than just waiting for civilization to collapse in on itself. Shame on you.

Go outside

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