The prosecution and police intentionally withheld evidence to make him look worse
Guaranteed if anyone was on the other side and the police or DA was withholding evidence they'd have a field day and be screaming for a mistrial. We should never cheer for a corrupt system, no matter who is the defendant. They destroyed the case themselves by doing this.
Erlinda Johnson, one of the state prosecutors on the case, resigned on Friday, the fourth prosecutor to quit or be forced to step down.
Four?? In and during one case?
Many legal analysts said the case should never have been brought to trial by the Santa Fe County District Attorney's Office. "The prosecution felt it had to cheat to get the result it wanted," said legal analyst Duncan Levin, a New York defense attorney. "This is the worst of our system on display."
Judge Sommer asked Hancock who had decided to put Teske’s ammunition into a separate case file number.
Hancock said it was the decision of her supervisor, prosecutors and herself.
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Ah so it was a police fuck up. I guess that makes sense.
In your view, what is he guilty of and how should he have been punished?
The standard punishment for man slaughter. He did not follow the proper precautions and someone died. Though since the police and DA fucked up their really isn't much that can be done.
Correct because the courts, legal system and punitive 'justice' aren't justice. They're all about punishing people and creating narratives, letting rich and/or famous people never have to think about what they did or attempt to change and locking people away so they can have slaves (in the US at least it is baked into the consitituion).
The only real justice is transformative and restorative justice. Because it doesn't involve this showy bullshit and having to convince lots of people someone is guilty or innocent, they don't involve locking people up which has shown to either make things worse or for there to be no change time and time again.
They make people sit down and actually go through a process of change, helping out, even yes paying out reperations etc which is more useful if directly asked for from those effected because they know what they need.
Better yet transformative justice changes society so stuff like this is less likely.
Even if he had been found guilty there's no guarantee it would have led him or the industry to change or a potential amount charged would have ever been enough in the current 'justice' system, hopefully the industry has changed though and there are better/more frequent weapon etc checks now, hopefully either the actors themselves check or they ask for more to make sure or just don't do things like what led to this.
That is real justice imo because yes, a person did die and yes that is awful, but that should have never happened and hopefully it never will again if the industry actually cares.
I understand most people don't think like me (though hopefully they will someday) but I personally have never cared whether someone was 'guilty' or 'innocent' in these systems, what I have cared about is change, real change and getting folks to think about what they have done, work with the real victims/survivors, those who are still left and/or changing society etc so that things are better and the same things don't keep happening.
I do think it is awful this happened. However, these systems aren't and never been about 'justice', they've been about mitigation of even worse things, protecting those who can afford it and locking away everyone else.
There is no justice.
Not a huge fan of him but I think this was the right call.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/alec-baldwin-trial-suspense-judge-mulls-motion-dismiss-charge-2024-07-12/
The prosecution and police intentionally withheld evidence to make him look worse
Guaranteed if anyone was on the other side and the police or DA was withholding evidence they'd have a field day and be screaming for a mistrial. We should never cheer for a corrupt system, no matter who is the defendant. They destroyed the case themselves by doing this.
Four?? In and during one case?
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Ah so it was a police fuck up. I guess that makes sense.
In your view, what is he guilty of and how should he have been punished?
The standard punishment for man slaughter. He did not follow the proper precautions and someone died. Though since the police and DA fucked up their really isn't much that can be done.
Correct because the courts, legal system and punitive 'justice' aren't justice. They're all about punishing people and creating narratives, letting rich and/or famous people never have to think about what they did or attempt to change and locking people away so they can have slaves (in the US at least it is baked into the consitituion).
The only real justice is transformative and restorative justice. Because it doesn't involve this showy bullshit and having to convince lots of people someone is guilty or innocent, they don't involve locking people up which has shown to either make things worse or for there to be no change time and time again.
They make people sit down and actually go through a process of change, helping out, even yes paying out reperations etc which is more useful if directly asked for from those effected because they know what they need.
Better yet transformative justice changes society so stuff like this is less likely.
Even if he had been found guilty there's no guarantee it would have led him or the industry to change or a potential amount charged would have ever been enough in the current 'justice' system, hopefully the industry has changed though and there are better/more frequent weapon etc checks now, hopefully either the actors themselves check or they ask for more to make sure or just don't do things like what led to this.
That is real justice imo because yes, a person did die and yes that is awful, but that should have never happened and hopefully it never will again if the industry actually cares.
I understand most people don't think like me (though hopefully they will someday) but I personally have never cared whether someone was 'guilty' or 'innocent' in these systems, what I have cared about is change, real change and getting folks to think about what they have done, work with the real victims/survivors, those who are still left and/or changing society etc so that things are better and the same things don't keep happening.
I do think it is awful this happened. However, these systems aren't and never been about 'justice', they've been about mitigation of even worse things, protecting those who can afford it and locking away everyone else.
What do you mean? How so?