Does lemmy.world really have 22000 users already?

Lemmy.World Announcements@lemmy.world – 144 points – 1 years ago

Since my last post yesterday, lemmy.world has added over 3000 new users, bringing the total user count to 22000 today (source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list). It firmly holds the position of the second-largest lemmy instance, surpassing beehaw.org by a significant margin of 10000 users.

In other news, beehaw has defederated from lemmy.world a few hours ago. How does the third-largest instance only have 4 mods for its 12000 users?!

So much going on!

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I am not sure I follow. If you can be in beehaw, choose to only watch your's instance, and engaging in other instances only when you want - what'd the downside? I feel like I am missing something.

People outside beehaw can still comment there and people inside beehaw would still see these comments.

This posts explains better how it works https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/24341/How-the-beehaw-defederation-affects-us

Wait, I don't think thats right. Unless I am missunderstanding it?

comment is going to be sent to every version of that post via ActivityPub, as the "true" version has been updated. That is, every version EXCEPT lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. So users on lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works won't get that comment, because we've been defederated from beehaw.org. If we write a comment, it will only be visible from accounts on lemmy.world, because we posted to a copy, but our copy is now out of sync with the "true" version. So we can appear to interact with the post, but those interactions are ONLY visible by other lemmy.world accounts, since our comments aren't send to other versions. As the "true" version is hosted on beehaw, and we no longer get beehaw updates due to defederation, we will not see comments from ANY other community on those posts (including from other defederated instances like sh.itjust.works)

Now that BeeHaw has defederated, they won't see any comments from lemmy.world/shitjustworks users in their own communities.

If they kept federation, those users would be able to comment on beehaw.org communities.

Sorry for the confusion, I meant that, if they didn't defederate and their users just kept on their 'local' feed, they'd still see outside comments.

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Huh, ok, I get it now. I am sad to see the beehaw go. I actualy tried to make an account there but was rejected without notice for whatever reson. I will really miss their communities.

You should still be able to view and comment on beehaw as normal so you don't have to miss those communities. Defederation is a one way street. So it's just like lemmy.world doesn't exist as far as beehaw is concerned. We can't have any impact on their vote counts from their perspective, they won't see our comments regardless of the instance it's posted on, they can't visit any communities from lemmy.world, etc. But unless lemmy.world defederates from beehaw we will still be able to view, vote on, comment on, etc anything from beehaw as normal. It's just that you are less likely to get any sort of interaction so you are disincentivized from doing so. Technically we could still comment on a beehaw post and anyone from lemmy.world or any other instance that hasn't defederates with us would still be able to see and reply to that comment.

That's very interesting. I didn't realize it worked that way. You're saying when one instance comments on a external instance the comment itself is still hosted by the first instance? It is hosted in the first instance and and update is sent to the external instance which would host a duplicate copy (but in this case is rejected)?

I've read most of the Lemmy documentation but these nuances of the architecture aren't well covered.

Edit: just found this post which clarifies it all: https://lemmy.world/post/149743

Thanks for the link. It cleared up a slight misunderstanding that I had as well.

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