Sure, fuck hexbear...but congress literally did give a standing ovation to a mass murderer, there is no getting around that reality. That's not me, it was literally on NPR. Biden is a staunch supporter of mass murder who has blood on his hands.
Hexbear being full of tankies doesn't make it ok to support genocide.
Apart from all the members of congress who remained seated, as was already mentioned. I'm guessing neither AOC nor Bernie Sanders stood up and applauded if they were there.
Yes, about half of Democrats weren't applauding like seals. Half still were, which is unacceptable.
Okay, so condemn the ones who were and don't act like it was unanimous.
Exactly. Even better, vote out the Republican supporters in the fall.
No one said it was unanimous. It was still hundreds of sitting members of congress, both democrats and republicans.
And people do try to condemn the specific members of our government who support the genocide, like Joe Biden. And you know what happens? People like you pop-up and defend them and deflect.
You literally just spent the entirety of yesterday trying to get me to shut up about condemning genocide support and talking about holding genocide supporters politically accountable.
No, I did not literally do that at all. In any way. That's just a lie. I have never tried to get you or anyone else to shut up about condemning genocide.
Republicans in Congress gave a standing ovation. Important distinction.
Yes, but Republicans are given. Half of Democrats also joined in, that's the problem. The Democratic party needs to be in opposition to zionism like it's meant to be opposed to every other form of fascism.
It's not a given. Lemmy is under a constant barrage of comments only attacking Biden and the Dems for supporting Isreal and therefore genocide. The blame is only put on Biden and the Dems.
Keeping perspective of how much worse the Republicans are in this specific regard if extremely imperious during this election. Being critical of the Dems is fine, but keeping the real context is vital.
The objective of these users who only criticize the Dems is clear. Stop falling for it.
They're in charge right now. Ffs. Think
It's split. Democrats control the presidency and sort of the senate, Republicans control the house and the supreme court.
They aren't in charge, they aren't even able to pass laws without republican support, and Republicans are so fractured they can't even make salient policy objectives in exchange for support.
To equate voting DNC to supporting genocide is disingenuous to its core.
I didn't equate voting dem as genocide support. If you vote for a zionist though, that is active support of genocide. In that situation you're signaling to the party that it's acceptable to have genocide supporters in the party, as long as the other option is "worse".
That's a calculation you're free to weigh for yourself, but it is still genocide support. Same way voting for an openly racist politician is in support of racism.
Have you not received your new talking points yet? Harris is not a zionist afaik.
Being opposed to genocide supporters is not a "talking point" it's not a "trick". Genocide is simply against the very core of my belief about how we're meant to treat other human beings.
So when a Democrat supports genocide, I want them out of the party and I see those who choose to ignore that candidates genocidal views as complicit themselves as well since they are responsible for putting that person into as position of power despite knowing the ugly truth. Hopefully that's clear enough for you to allow yourself to understand. It's very odd to have to spell it out like this for you though.
Harris is not a zionist afaik.
Harris does not appear to be ideological like Biden, that is true and a promising sign, but that's not really related to the point I'm making -- while zionists like Biden and his supporters do obviously help keep the slaughter going, one doesn't necessarily have to be a committed zionist to help fuel the genocide. One could choose to do it for any number of reasons (ex. cowardice, political convenience etc.), we will see if Harris' actions match up with her rhetoric. She doesn't get an automatic pass on being a moral human being, this isn't a cult of personality like the GOP.
That all makes it hard to say whether Harris would call herself a Zionist. But she has repeatedly expressed support for Israel’s existence as a Jewish state, favorably quoted from Herzl’s Zionist manifesto and raised money for the Jewish National Fund. source
Sure, fuck hexbear...but congress literally did give a standing ovation to a mass murderer, there is no getting around that reality. That's not me, it was literally on NPR. Biden is a staunch supporter of mass murder who has blood on his hands.
Hexbear being full of tankies doesn't make it ok to support genocide.
Apart from all the members of congress who remained seated, as was already mentioned. I'm guessing neither AOC nor Bernie Sanders stood up and applauded if they were there.
Yes, about half of Democrats weren't applauding like seals. Half still were, which is unacceptable.
Okay, so condemn the ones who were and don't act like it was unanimous.
Exactly. Even better, vote out the Republican supporters in the fall.
No one said it was unanimous. It was still hundreds of sitting members of congress, both democrats and republicans.
And people do try to condemn the specific members of our government who support the genocide, like Joe Biden. And you know what happens? People like you pop-up and defend them and deflect.
You literally just spent the entirety of yesterday trying to get me to shut up about condemning genocide support and talking about holding genocide supporters politically accountable.
No, I did not literally do that at all. In any way. That's just a lie. I have never tried to get you or anyone else to shut up about condemning genocide.
Why are you lying?
Republicans in Congress gave a standing ovation. Important distinction.
Yes, but Republicans are given. Half of Democrats also joined in, that's the problem. The Democratic party needs to be in opposition to zionism like it's meant to be opposed to every other form of fascism.
It's not a given. Lemmy is under a constant barrage of comments only attacking Biden and the Dems for supporting Isreal and therefore genocide. The blame is only put on Biden and the Dems.
Keeping perspective of how much worse the Republicans are in this specific regard if extremely imperious during this election. Being critical of the Dems is fine, but keeping the real context is vital.
The objective of these users who only criticize the Dems is clear. Stop falling for it.
They're in charge right now. Ffs. Think
It's split. Democrats control the presidency and sort of the senate, Republicans control the house and the supreme court.
They aren't in charge, they aren't even able to pass laws without republican support, and Republicans are so fractured they can't even make salient policy objectives in exchange for support.
To equate voting DNC to supporting genocide is disingenuous to its core.
I didn't equate voting dem as genocide support. If you vote for a zionist though, that is active support of genocide. In that situation you're signaling to the party that it's acceptable to have genocide supporters in the party, as long as the other option is "worse".
That's a calculation you're free to weigh for yourself, but it is still genocide support. Same way voting for an openly racist politician is in support of racism.
Have you not received your new talking points yet? Harris is not a zionist afaik.
Being opposed to genocide supporters is not a "talking point" it's not a "trick". Genocide is simply against the very core of my belief about how we're meant to treat other human beings.
So when a Democrat supports genocide, I want them out of the party and I see those who choose to ignore that candidates genocidal views as complicit themselves as well since they are responsible for putting that person into as position of power despite knowing the ugly truth. Hopefully that's clear enough for you to allow yourself to understand. It's very odd to have to spell it out like this for you though.
Harris does not appear to be ideological like Biden, that is true and a promising sign, but that's not really related to the point I'm making -- while zionists like Biden and his supporters do obviously help keep the slaughter going, one doesn't necessarily have to be a committed zionist to help fuel the genocide. One could choose to do it for any number of reasons (ex. cowardice, political convenience etc.), we will see if Harris' actions match up with her rhetoric. She doesn't get an automatic pass on being a moral human being, this isn't a cult of personality like the GOP.
They've been doing that so