Since the mid-1990s, the media and researchers have also documented an increased use of drugs such as flunitrazepam and ketamine to facilitate sexual assaults in the context of dating.
The setting people prefer is heavily dependent on dose and method of administration. Lower doses that still permit some level of walking, dancing, and talking can be used in real-world social scenes, i.e. clubs, parties or other gatherings. Higher doses are generally taken only while lying down in a safe space.
As with many anaesthetics, ketamine can cause varying degrees of nausea, usually related to dose. To reduce the likelihood of nausea, food is not generally consumed within ninety minutes before the trip, and is avoided for longer periods of time if possible. While vomiting is rare, travelling to the bathroom is no fun, as movement can increase nausea. Cautious users may keep a bucket available as a precaution. Some people find cannabis helpful to quell nausea. Experienced higher-dose ketamine users situate themselves in a place where they can stay for several hours, with any desired amenities close at hand. A sober sitter is convenient for changing music, providing sips of water, and generally making sure everything is going smoothly. Complete darkness can eliminate some strange and unique visual experiences, so many users prefer to take ketamine in a dimly lit room.
Music can be powerful for "driving" the trip, with individual tunes helping to create visionary vignettes. However, ketamine does not treat audio perception so well; it may produce a narrowing of the user's aural bandwidth. Many users choose mellow instrumental music with a psychedelic flavor, and they keep the sound level down a bit as music can sound louder when under the influence. Touch can be exceptional, and some swear by the benefits of receiving massage therapy and bodywork while on ketamine. Smells and tastes are usually reported as being dulled. Some users find they are largely unable to talk, while others speak in clipped, robotic-sounding utterances. Mental reflection and introspection is fairly common, but enhanced emotionality much less so. Physical warmth may be important to attend to, as users can become cold from inactivity. Many users take ketamine while lying in bed, with a blanket nearby.
Some sources characterize ketamine as a boring drug. Some users complain that it removes them so completely from their bodies that it is difficult to work with. Others have found ketamine to be potent and malleable: an experience that they can tailor by paying close attention to the dose and setting. Many ketamine users experience ketamine as compellingly unique among psychedelic drugs, although PCP, DXM, nitrous oxide, and Salvia divinorum are the most commonly made comparisons. Users sometimes express that the high-dose experience is unique and strong enough that only experienced trippers who want a potentially life-changing out-of-body experience should attempt high doses. Ketamine is often described as having a good recovery time, with little negative effect on the following day--perhaps only a mild hangover.
Yes, again, date rape drugs can also be party drugs.
And, again, are you arguing that general anesthetics should be OTC?
Do you call alcohol a date rape drug?
I will answer your question when you answer the one I have asked you twice now.
Dunno.
Am I fine with people using ketamine recreationally, sure.
You don't know whether or not things which render people who don't even know they've been given them unconscious very quickly should be OTC or not? Really?
And about alcohol- it's a horrible, horrible thing in many ways, including facilitating date rape (although nowhere near as easily as ketamine). And if prohibition hadn't been a complete failure, I would support it continuing.
But I wouldn't say keeping ketamine prescription-only has been the failure that prohibition was because otherwise we'd have a lot more Matthew Perrys and a lot more Bill Cosbys. Which is what you seem to want.
Yeah, nah.
I’ve done ketamine before, I know many people who have, I know the context it is most used in, and I understand it’s far more of a recreational drug than a date rape drug. So I’m not falling for this fear peddling D.A.R.E level bullshittery on what it actually is.
As for trying to turn this into some moral attack on my character by calling me pro-overdose and pro-date rape, it’s unbecoming.
It may be unbecoming, but that is the end result of what you want.
"I enjoy this so I should have easy access to it" is a terrible argument. People enjoy going out into a field and blowing shit up with various explosives. That doesn't mean they should have easy access to C4 or RPGs.
Yet it’s the same argument society accepts with alcohol and it’s not that bad.
Alcohol is not that bad? Are you fucking serious? Do you know how many millions of alcoholics there are in this world and how so many of them have destroyed their entire families?
You can buy tannerite at the grocery store, though. It's not entirely unreasonable to ask that society apply their principals, however warped they may be, consistently.
I don't disagree. And as I said, if prohibition hadn't been a complete shit show, I would support it. However, making ketamine prescription-only has not been a complete shit show.
Honestly, if I ran things, doctors would give prescriptions for alcohol and cigarettes too. Because they're really fucking dangerous, unlike things like cannabis.
But good luck passing those laws.
"When I'm Dictator for Life..." is very relatable sentiment.
Sadly, between the failure of prohibition and the spectacular failure of the 'war on drugs', we've pretty conclusively demonstrated that a different approach is needed (preferably one that works instead of one that ruins society across half a continent...). I hold the theory that decriminalizing / dispensing some drugs (the safer ones) would greatly decrease the demand for the more destructive drugs (heroin, coke) and help to destigmatize drug use, improving treatment and safety all around.
To live in a world where something good might actually happen... Sigh. Probably not worth speculating about.
Putting certain drugs behind a prescription wall is not the same as the war on drugs. Those drugs, unlike heroin, cannabis, etc. are still legal. They just require a doctor's supervision.
In my opinion, any drug that has the potential to knock someone unconscious or even kill them without them even having known they were given that drug is not safe enough a drug to be available OTC at your nearby Walgreens.
Selfish AF to want your flavor of drugs more easily available at the cost of vulnerable women smh typical party bro
You’re the one missing the point. Go fight to get booze outlawed if you’re so incensed by a recreational drug that can lead to an unconscious state or used inappropriately by a 3rd party.
Selfish AF to want to continue the war on drugs and prohibition. How many lives has that ruined? smh typical American.
https://www.butler.edu/well-being/date-rape-drugs/
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/date-rape-drugs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug#Depressants
Furthermore, this describes what happens to the victim when ketamine is used as a date rape drug: https://www.thehealthsite.com/diseases-conditions/date-rape-drug-ketamine-effects-p114-111164/
You can party with other date rape drugs too. Are you really suggesting general anesthetics should be OTC?
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_faq.shtml
Ketamine is a party drug.
https://youtu.be/a0VHIvwCehs?si=zf747S-WA0B71kb1
https://youtu.be/xuPNmXtomNw?si=9F7wZWC7XSTfL5C0
https://youtu.be/Io8HPSWhx8w?si=uyfj6iCIWPRGiArA
Yes, again, date rape drugs can also be party drugs.
And, again, are you arguing that general anesthetics should be OTC?
Do you call alcohol a date rape drug?
I will answer your question when you answer the one I have asked you twice now.
Dunno.
Am I fine with people using ketamine recreationally, sure.
You don't know whether or not things which render people who don't even know they've been given them unconscious very quickly should be OTC or not? Really?
And about alcohol- it's a horrible, horrible thing in many ways, including facilitating date rape (although nowhere near as easily as ketamine). And if prohibition hadn't been a complete failure, I would support it continuing.
But I wouldn't say keeping ketamine prescription-only has been the failure that prohibition was because otherwise we'd have a lot more Matthew Perrys and a lot more Bill Cosbys. Which is what you seem to want.
Yeah, nah.
I’ve done ketamine before, I know many people who have, I know the context it is most used in, and I understand it’s far more of a recreational drug than a date rape drug. So I’m not falling for this fear peddling D.A.R.E level bullshittery on what it actually is.
As for trying to turn this into some moral attack on my character by calling me pro-overdose and pro-date rape, it’s unbecoming.
It may be unbecoming, but that is the end result of what you want.
"I enjoy this so I should have easy access to it" is a terrible argument. People enjoy going out into a field and blowing shit up with various explosives. That doesn't mean they should have easy access to C4 or RPGs.
Yet it’s the same argument society accepts with alcohol and it’s not that bad.
Alcohol is not that bad? Are you fucking serious? Do you know how many millions of alcoholics there are in this world and how so many of them have destroyed their entire families?
You can buy tannerite at the grocery store, though. It's not entirely unreasonable to ask that society apply their principals, however warped they may be, consistently.
I don't disagree. And as I said, if prohibition hadn't been a complete shit show, I would support it. However, making ketamine prescription-only has not been a complete shit show.
Honestly, if I ran things, doctors would give prescriptions for alcohol and cigarettes too. Because they're really fucking dangerous, unlike things like cannabis.
But good luck passing those laws.
"When I'm Dictator for Life..." is very relatable sentiment.
Sadly, between the failure of prohibition and the spectacular failure of the 'war on drugs', we've pretty conclusively demonstrated that a different approach is needed (preferably one that works instead of one that ruins society across half a continent...). I hold the theory that decriminalizing / dispensing some drugs (the safer ones) would greatly decrease the demand for the more destructive drugs (heroin, coke) and help to destigmatize drug use, improving treatment and safety all around.
To live in a world where something good might actually happen... Sigh. Probably not worth speculating about.
Putting certain drugs behind a prescription wall is not the same as the war on drugs. Those drugs, unlike heroin, cannabis, etc. are still legal. They just require a doctor's supervision.
In my opinion, any drug that has the potential to knock someone unconscious or even kill them without them even having known they were given that drug is not safe enough a drug to be available OTC at your nearby Walgreens.
Way to miss the point by a fucking mile dude
Selfish AF to want your flavor of drugs more easily available at the cost of vulnerable women smh typical party bro
You’re the one missing the point. Go fight to get booze outlawed if you’re so incensed by a recreational drug that can lead to an unconscious state or used inappropriately by a 3rd party.
Selfish AF to want to continue the war on drugs and prohibition. How many lives has that ruined? smh typical American.