I get the appeal of Trump. I don't like it and can't fathom being the kind of person who would vote for him, but I understand why people vote for him.
I don't get Kennedy at all. Is it purely Q people still thinking he is the next savior or some shit?
Trump may flirt with anti-vaxx sentiment or climate denial, etc., but he can't fully support those ideas. They're very niche and he'd lose the centre if he did.
RFK Jr doesn't hold back on those issues. For conspiracy types he is closer to their beliefs than Trump.
Can you explain it to me? Because in 8 years I've never understood it.
The appeal of Trump? He's a loudmouthed asshole. That's appealing to other loudmouthed assholes
It's about hurting the people you want to be hurt: sluts, illegals (but only from countries you don't like), black people, liberals, gays, etc. There is so much hatred and fear and animosity built up over years of listening to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, and he is the person voicing all their pent up emotions. He makes it OK to be the assholes they have not felt comfortable being before.
It's not necessarily that he is their ideal person (though for some people a giant blowhard asshole is), it's that he furthers their agenda. He packs the courts, lowers taxes, punishes the correct people, fights communism.
lowers taxes
Well, if you're super rich, maybe.
Kennedy has been a Democrat most of his life. He helped Obama & supported Hillary. He's definitely done some weird things, but most Democrats would have called him an ally up until his presidential run. Trump has always been a con man. If you get why people support Trump more than why they'd support Kennedy, then I'd say that says more about you than him.
He’s definitely done some weird things, but most Democrats would have called him an ally up until his presidential run.
Bullshit. He was vocally antivax. People who didn't know that before sure found out during COVID.
Also, people consider someone less of an ally when they find out about things like the dead bear and the brain worms.
He has a body count. He used his celebrity to get the MMR vax paused in Samoa and kids died from a measles outbreak. It turned out the kids who’d died after getting vaxxed were poisoned by poorly-prepared vaxes rather than the vax itself. He takes no responsibility for this.
Person you are replying to may be referring to decades ago. I think the country's brain broke in the last decade
I guess so, because pretty much the first thing everyone associates with RFK Jr. is him being against vaccination.
I thought the start was basically me saying he's been antivaxx for years and you agreeing? But maybe I misunderstood.
Haha good call
Weird.. why did the Biden campaign enlist Robert De Niro to help with events? Does that mean Biden was antivax, and that Kamala said she loves an antivaxer during the first day of the DNC convention?
Also... leaving a dead bear that someone hit with their vehicle in a park is messed up, but sending weapons to a country that has killed 30k+ women & children is normal?
Last, you do realize brain worms is like a serious medical condition? Like... should Democrats now platform on being disabled or a paraplegic disbars them from being an ally?
Is Robert DeNiro an antivaxxer?
And are you actually accusing Democrats of ableism because they don't trust a guy who had WORMS IN HIS BRAIN to be in politics?
Yes Robert DeNiro was alongside RFK Jr at his vaccine safety press event offering money to show it was safe to inject mercury utilized in many vaccines at the time.
And yes it is ableism. Why does it matter that he had worms? Biden has had multiple brain surgeries due to aneurisms.
Would you say it was ableism to not trust someone with Alzheimer's too? It's a disability after all. Should someone with Alzheimer's be considered an important political ally?
Who has Alzheimers?
You do understand the concept of a hypothetical question, don't you? How about you answer it?
You do? Is it a serious hypothetical? Like... you get to judge and say Diane Feinstein is fine while rolling her around in a wheelchair and speaking for her? Or that Biden is fine too... perfectly capable of being President until January even though he's had multiple brain surgeries and literally couldn't finish a sentence in a debate with Trump? Oh, but this guy that ran his own independent campaign and got almost 10%... he said he had a worm in his brain. That is too much for me... definitely unfit!
Rather than make assumptions about me and who I wish to remain in office, how about you answer my question?
I did answer it. RFK Jr. is perfectly capable of being an ally for Democrats, way more so than many of the same representatives that Democrats have relied on.
That has nothing to do with what I asked you about trusting someone with Alzheimer's to be a political ally. I think you are refusing to answer the question because the obvious answer undermines your ableism point.
Look, there's a reason why people who use wheelchairs aren't running track events. Disability is a spectrum, but let's not pretend that it doesn't actually prevent people from doing things.
Like Dianne Feinstein or Ruth Bader Ginsburg? Did that stop Democrats from supporting them?
You mean all the Democrats that were praising them for their decades-long careers and all the good work they'd done, but also calling for them to step down once it was clear they were no longer up to the task?
They wheeled Feinstein around in a wheel chair to "vote" till her dying breath. RBG stayed until Republicans could appoint a Republican justice. They didn't do shit stop gaslighting people.
Since he went all in on antivax and conspiracy stuff, Dems have known he’s a weird/crazy dude. Which is a damn shame, as pre-brain worms, he was a kick-ass environmental lawyer. Dude is clearly not all there and hasn’t been for decades.
He attended the vaccination safety events Robert De Niro... who the Biden campaign then enlisted. I'm not saying he's right by any means. I think it is fine to question vaccine safety, especially when big pharma has so much influence in politics, but obviously he's made statements that were far too extreme without supporting medical evidence.
Regardless... Christians believing in make believe stuff that would normally be considered mental illness is as conspiracy-based to me as RFK Jr, so by all means if you think that saying crazy shit means you can never be an ally... then I guess you've never ran for state government.
Wow, an RFK Jr apologist!
And it's apparently ableism to say that the brain worms make him someone who maybe shouldn't be listened to.
He said his brainwork was affecting his ability to make money to pay his x wife alimony.
I’d think that would make running the United States pretty difficult too, but maybe it’s easier than everyone thinks.
Does that mean you're pro-genocide? Why the hyperbole? Why so offended when someone speaks truth?
I get the appeal of Trump. I don't like it and can't fathom being the kind of person who would vote for him, but I understand why people vote for him.
I don't get Kennedy at all. Is it purely Q people still thinking he is the next savior or some shit?
Trump may flirt with anti-vaxx sentiment or climate denial, etc., but he can't fully support those ideas. They're very niche and he'd lose the centre if he did.
RFK Jr doesn't hold back on those issues. For conspiracy types he is closer to their beliefs than Trump.
Can you explain it to me? Because in 8 years I've never understood it.
The appeal of Trump? He's a loudmouthed asshole. That's appealing to other loudmouthed assholes
It's about hurting the people you want to be hurt: sluts, illegals (but only from countries you don't like), black people, liberals, gays, etc. There is so much hatred and fear and animosity built up over years of listening to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, and he is the person voicing all their pent up emotions. He makes it OK to be the assholes they have not felt comfortable being before.
It's not necessarily that he is their ideal person (though for some people a giant blowhard asshole is), it's that he furthers their agenda. He packs the courts, lowers taxes, punishes the correct people, fights communism.
Well, if you're super rich, maybe.
Kennedy has been a Democrat most of his life. He helped Obama & supported Hillary. He's definitely done some weird things, but most Democrats would have called him an ally up until his presidential run. Trump has always been a con man. If you get why people support Trump more than why they'd support Kennedy, then I'd say that says more about you than him.
Bullshit. He was vocally antivax. People who didn't know that before sure found out during COVID.
Also, people consider someone less of an ally when they find out about things like the dead bear and the brain worms.
He has a body count. He used his celebrity to get the MMR vax paused in Samoa and kids died from a measles outbreak. It turned out the kids who’d died after getting vaxxed were poisoned by poorly-prepared vaxes rather than the vax itself. He takes no responsibility for this.
Person you are replying to may be referring to decades ago. I think the country's brain broke in the last decade
I guess so, because pretty much the first thing everyone associates with RFK Jr. is him being against vaccination.
I don't even remember the start of this conversation but I went and double checked, looks like RFK has been anti vax since at least 2005, so I think my argument is wrong
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/robert-f-kennedy-jr-vaccines/index.html
I thought the start was basically me saying he's been antivaxx for years and you agreeing? But maybe I misunderstood.
Haha good call
Weird.. why did the Biden campaign enlist Robert De Niro to help with events? Does that mean Biden was antivax, and that Kamala said she loves an antivaxer during the first day of the DNC convention?
Also... leaving a dead bear that someone hit with their vehicle in a park is messed up, but sending weapons to a country that has killed 30k+ women & children is normal?
Last, you do realize brain worms is like a serious medical condition? Like... should Democrats now platform on being disabled or a paraplegic disbars them from being an ally?
Is Robert DeNiro an antivaxxer?
And are you actually accusing Democrats of ableism because they don't trust a guy who had WORMS IN HIS BRAIN to be in politics?
Yes Robert DeNiro was alongside RFK Jr at his vaccine safety press event offering money to show it was safe to inject mercury utilized in many vaccines at the time.
And yes it is ableism. Why does it matter that he had worms? Biden has had multiple brain surgeries due to aneurisms.
Would you say it was ableism to not trust someone with Alzheimer's too? It's a disability after all. Should someone with Alzheimer's be considered an important political ally?
Who has Alzheimers?
You do understand the concept of a hypothetical question, don't you? How about you answer it?
You do? Is it a serious hypothetical? Like... you get to judge and say Diane Feinstein is fine while rolling her around in a wheelchair and speaking for her? Or that Biden is fine too... perfectly capable of being President until January even though he's had multiple brain surgeries and literally couldn't finish a sentence in a debate with Trump? Oh, but this guy that ran his own independent campaign and got almost 10%... he said he had a worm in his brain. That is too much for me... definitely unfit!
Rather than make assumptions about me and who I wish to remain in office, how about you answer my question?
I did answer it. RFK Jr. is perfectly capable of being an ally for Democrats, way more so than many of the same representatives that Democrats have relied on.
That has nothing to do with what I asked you about trusting someone with Alzheimer's to be a political ally. I think you are refusing to answer the question because the obvious answer undermines your ableism point.
Look, there's a reason why people who use wheelchairs aren't running track events. Disability is a spectrum, but let's not pretend that it doesn't actually prevent people from doing things.
Like Dianne Feinstein or Ruth Bader Ginsburg? Did that stop Democrats from supporting them?
You mean all the Democrats that were praising them for their decades-long careers and all the good work they'd done, but also calling for them to step down once it was clear they were no longer up to the task?
They wheeled Feinstein around in a wheel chair to "vote" till her dying breath. RBG stayed until Republicans could appoint a Republican justice. They didn't do shit stop gaslighting people.
Since he went all in on antivax and conspiracy stuff, Dems have known he’s a weird/crazy dude. Which is a damn shame, as pre-brain worms, he was a kick-ass environmental lawyer. Dude is clearly not all there and hasn’t been for decades.
He attended the vaccination safety events Robert De Niro... who the Biden campaign then enlisted. I'm not saying he's right by any means. I think it is fine to question vaccine safety, especially when big pharma has so much influence in politics, but obviously he's made statements that were far too extreme without supporting medical evidence.
Regardless... Christians believing in make believe stuff that would normally be considered mental illness is as conspiracy-based to me as RFK Jr, so by all means if you think that saying crazy shit means you can never be an ally... then I guess you've never ran for state government.
Wow, an RFK Jr apologist!
And it's apparently ableism to say that the brain worms make him someone who maybe shouldn't be listened to.
He said his brainwork was affecting his ability to make money to pay his x wife alimony.
I’d think that would make running the United States pretty difficult too, but maybe it’s easier than everyone thinks.
Does that mean you're pro-genocide? Why the hyperbole? Why so offended when someone speaks truth?