Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?
I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don't actually think everyone there is insane. I don't care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point
Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It's not going to scare me to take this down
You are viewing a single comment
Most of the Lemmy.World users and mods are actively advocating to vote for Genocide, so i understand that Hexbear is a culture shock.
Because hexbear users would never do that, right? You're fighting your battle on the wrong battleground.
There's definitely some users there who go too far in their support for other imperialist superpowers like Russia and China.
Because if America bad Russia and China good is an easy train of thought. Imperialism bad is a more difficult pill to accept.
But users there moreso question whether certain atrocities happened. They're not saying 'yeah the CCP is currently Genociding Uyghurs in concentration camps. but you have to vote for Xi Jingping to save Democracy'.
Occasionally I do find they have a point in the West exaggerating others crimes. I mostly started noticing this after Hamas supposedly beheaded 40 babies in ovens which our media blasted as fact without questioning it. Though other times there is usually a base of truth which is undeniable.
But admitting that your side is doing Genocide and still advocating for them comes off as far more insane to me than denying their crimes.
I wonder what definition of imperialism you're using. China doesn't have a financial capitalist class which influences it's government to seek foreign markets (i.e. overthrow foreign governments to privatize their state assets for the financial capitalist class to buy up)
It may seem to lib outside observers like that
Tell me you haven't lurked there without having told me you having lurked there and talking out of your ass.
China most definitely has billionaires in cahoots with the government. Evergrande is a great example of this. Asianometry did a great video on how deep it goes with receipts.
I've had two discussions with users about the Uyghur camps which were not able to address the base of my concerns. While they are definitely very exaggerated in size, the notion that they don't exist seems unfounded. Though I'm open for discussion on it.
Imperialism is when billionaires. The more billionaires you have the imperialister it is
Also https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
Sounds like you were concern trolling, because the burden of proof is on the accuser
Your statement about China not having a financialist capital class seemed slightly out of touch so I provided you with examples of some Chinese capital class. Communism is when not billionaires. The more Billionaires you have to less communism it is.
As for the imperialism I only hear the same argument as for Western imperialism: someone drew lines on a map 200 years ago and it said Xinjiang and Tibet were part of China. So despite them speaking a different language it's now 100% ours for rizzle.
Read more theory otherwise you sound like a kid like you do now.
I read a bit of the link and it was mostly mid mumbling that mentioned faults of China and then moved on as if addressing them solves them.
Then it proceeded to misdiagnose what greed is and pretend capitalism is a system designed around greed instead of greed being innate to humans.
Then I stopped because it doesn't answer any of the questions.
I'm not saying everything China does is bad, certainly to grow as superpower when the West tries to overthrow all competition is massive achievement. But people are all too willing to deny faults of China.
I seems you have no clue what the difference between an industrial capitalist and a finacial capitalist is, because you provided not a example of finacial capitalists existing. You just showed me an example of a industrial/realestate capitalist eating shit. Not so much in cahoots after all then ,right? Not like the CPC declared the "3 red lines" in order to mitigate the bubble forming, not like there's a 95% homeowner ship rate in china already and it's just speculators eating shit, not like Asianometry is a very informed lib viewing the deliberate crash from a liberal perspective, right?
China's banks are nationalized. When was theast time you heare about Jack Ma, who wanted to ascend to be a financial capitalist by circumventing finance laws with ANT pay?
See, what the CPC is doing is not communism. It's market socialism, or SWCC to be more accurate, which is not without it's contradictions. Communism cannot exist when Capitalism and Imperialism exists.
When you write stuff like:
Muh human nature
Or
I know for a fact you haven't read theory and don't want to be talking to you until you haven't done your homework.
Arguing on semantics is a liberals game. Anyway the last user claimed China was definitely not cracking down on Xinjiang so I linked him this damning compilation.
Haven't heard from him since.
Unless you're going to claim cultural Genocide is fine when China does it because they call their imperialism differently I don't really care for the argument.
Semantics are important with words like "imperialism", "capitalism" and other isms.
Xinjiang has 1 mosque per ~500 Muslims and one of the highest densities with 25k mosques total
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China
Your (western) article makes an "analysis of 2,312 mosques once featuring Islamic architecture shows that three-quarters have been modified or destroyed since 2018."
Which 1) is not that many compares to the total amount. 2) Has an interest in focussing on "modified" (i.e. renovated) and destroyed ones to make the 3/4 figure 3) apparently has access to that data, but refuses to list the total amount of destroyed ones.
Also cultural genocide is when Uyghur is an official languages and also used publicly everywhere. Cultural genocide is when you can freely practice your religion everywhere. Cultural genocide is when all Muslim majority visited the region and had no complaints. Apparently genocide on Muslims is not happening in Palestine (said by the same voices that do say it's happening in China)
You might want to consider the context a bit (also with western sources): https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang
Cultural Genocide is not equal to full on literal israel style delete everyone you don't like. It is more similar to the French colonialism in Algeria (see imperialism) and their attempt to assimilate their subjects afterwards. Gradually ereasing a culture to 'enlighten' the population with le epic atheism.
Altering appearances of mosques to make them appear Chinese is an incredibly visually obvious step to slow-boiling the frog.
~2022; Xi Stresses Sinicization and Regulation of Religious Activities
And if you don't know what "Marxist religious views" means I recommend the document you linked earlier it was quite evidently not too fond of religion.
That vote was made in the Obama era. There's a 35 billion dollar funding scheme for Israel that's bin full swing.
Stopping it would require a lot of changes across multiple stratas of government and legal procedures.
... it's not as simple as "the president" or "the party" can just stop a long term international set of contracts across industries and government agencies and departments.
The video "Rules for Rulers" by YouTuber CPGGrey covers some of this.
In this case the rulers are not listening to their constituents and being extremely corrupt. Meaning their constituents should stop supporting said rulers.
It is called Leahy law, and the current president is actively violating the law by sending weapons to israel which uses them to commit war crimes.
To play devil's advocate, leahy law;
But the fact that Israel is a democracy, suggests there are reprocessions, eg. Netenyahu could lose the election, and even face reprocessions from the next elected leader. So that's not acting "with impunity".
Israel has taken measures to make their genocide look considered (eg. Dropping flyers, naming bombing targets)... And to some extent, anyone wanting to claim they're acting woth impunity (although it's highly unlikely they'll ever see reprocessions) - will have similar issues to those faced at Nuremberg, where the US didn't want to invent laws to accuse them of being guilty of or having violated (as that would look like a kangaroo court, or future crime)...
...and unfortunately, due to the US having it's own patchy human rights record, they avoid being a signatatory to international courts like The Hague.
So yeah, your claim wouldn't be substantiated. It's not that simple, you may as we'll be claiming we can "reform our way our of Capitalism"..... That's a nice idea (as Leahy Law is), but they're just not practically applicable.
Which is why I directed people to the "Rules for Rulers" video (by CPG grey), because it explains these basics to Socialists who basically live in these fantasy land conceptions of politics.
Of course fantasy land conceptions get upvotes, reality checks get downvotes, it's a great system, designed to cause mental stagnation and "apathy through idealism" in the masses.
This is an israel problem not a Netanyahu problem.
Also israel is not a Democracy it is an Apartheid.
Both, it's a Netenyahu problem and it's attached to conspiracy theories around the assassination of the guy before him. The right wing captured cultural territory there that the progressive left have never been able to shift back, and it resulted in a lot of the population shifting to the right.
In any case "the leader might lose an election" is not what the "with impunity" clause entails.
Hitler also killed himself at the end of WW2, I doubt that could be used as an excuse to justify giving free weapons to the Nazis.
The US was at war with Hitler, and has given other genocidal regimes weapons.
That's not where my interest lays, it lays in practical, and applicable solutions.
You don't have any, I don't have any.
Of course it's impossible to prosecute the government with the largest military in the world.
I don't think you are arguing with bad intentions. but the premise of playing devils advocate is about the legality of sending weapons to israel, not whether the people doing it can get away with it which is the more practical side.
Practically Biden can (and is required to) enforce Leahy law. Whether he follows the law is a different matter.
Oh, if you're just discussing things to play theoretical games, then I'm not interested. I play devils advocate to try to find practical means of intervention.
That's okay, thanks anyways, bye.
But also, if you're trying to apply US law, then they don't have to be a functional democracy - just recognized as one by the US.
So that's a naive approach.