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Quick question, I’m looking to make an Mbin account and just wanted to ask if there is any lemmy.ml type of situation to be aware of.

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From before Kbin shut down, I was hearing a lot of talk of the Mbin devs being dickheads and spamming around the site.

I don’t think they’re genocide denying authies like the Lemmy devs, but the mbin team isn’t great either.

Why not look into something like PieFed?

but the mbin team isn’t great either.

i keep seeing this without anything to back it up.

do you have anything to back it up?

Yes, thank you.. Can somebody back it up? And thank you of being part of our community originalucifer.

I am part of the mbin team and I am really tired of hearing shittalking about us without any reason. Nobody has any reason to call us anything but passionate.

When melroy started the fork, really weird accusations were thrown around without being based on anything...

I'm part of the Mbin team (and created the fork), why are you calling us dickheads? You don't even know the dev team. You don't even know me.

If you want to join Mbin you can just join a Mbin server. If you want to join the community and help out, join the Matrix chat. I don't understand where all the fuzz is about.

@BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de is also part of the Mbin team (thank you!), and he is also tired about all the negative talking about us, without any foundation of truth.

I’ve had quite a lot of experience in interacting with the mbin team and I can definitely say they are kind and compassionate people who have a passion for this project and have shown nothing but helpfulness and grace to me and many other people.

Wait, when have I ever denied any genocide?

It's more targeted towards Dessalines: https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342

Don't shoot the messenger, just remembered seeing this post a while back

I haven't seen that community before. Some people have way too much time on their hands to keep posting about things they dislike. But at least it proves that censorship on Lemmy is impossible, when not even us developers can do it.

At least there is that, indeed...

On a completely unrelated topic, I see that lemmy.ml is now running 0.19.6-beta, do you have any estimation for the release of 0.19.6?

Not sure, I just got back to work this week and need to catch up with everything.

Wait, when have I ever denied any genocide?

I don't have receipts handy for that right now, though the company you keep does say something about you.

I do have you on your weird transphobic conspiracy theory, though.

Big words from someone who posts anonymously, and who never contributed anything positive to the internet.

Ah yes, I sure am making any effort whatsoever to conceal my identity? Weird dodge there, guy.

At this point even someone as ideologically blinded as you should be able to see that the presence of you and your tankie friends is a liability to the project. Why do you think OP is looking to avoid a "lemmy.ml type of situation"?

Ah yes Im a liability to Lemmy which wouldnt even exist without my work. Troll harder kiddo.

I'm not saying that the work you've previously done should be undone. Ideally you would abandon your shitty politics instead of your development work, but I assume that's out of the question.

From the perspective of those trying to advocate for people to actually use lemmy, the instances that you run, lemmy.ml and lemmygrad, are a serious problem. Together with hexbear, they're the "missing stairs" of the threadiverse. We're constantly having to tell people "Yeah, it's understandable that you don't want to associate with tankies, but it's really not so bad if you just block those three instances, and don't mind that two of them are run by the lead developers of lemmy". You walking away would be a net benefit at this point.

You walking away would be a net benefit at this point.

It's not that obvious.

Who would take over Lemmy development? Mbin and Piefed are getting there, but still far from catching up (Piefed has no API so no apps, Mbin only has one app)

Lemmy is still missing some impactful features which might really make it a 1:1 Reddit alternative

  • multicommunities
  • Post flairs, which could then be filtered

In a scenario where we are only left with Mbin and Piefed, we would probably have to wait another year to get to where we are now with Lemmy.

You walking away would be a net benefit at this point.

It’s not that obvious.

At the very least, we're at the point where the counterargument to mine is merely damning with faint praise.

I haven't tried Mbin, and as a Piefed user I agree that it's not there yet. I'm not suggesting that they should replace Lemmy as the backbone software of the threadiverse. However, Lemmy will continue to run in the absence of active development.

I expect Sublinks to eventually overtake Lemmy since it's being designed as a drop-in replacement, in a language better suited to web development than Rust. The dev team also aren't pathological authoritarians, as far as I know. If development on Lemmy were to stop, the threadiverse community's attention and resources would significantly shift towards Sublinks, which would benefit us all in the long run.

I’m not suggesting that they should replace Lemmy as the backbone software of the threadiverse.

Interesting, because that's what I could see happening once they catch up. Unfortunately that's not for now.

I expect Sublinks to eventually overtake Lemmy since it’s being designed as a drop-in replacement, in a language better suited to web development than Rust.

Sublinks was announced in January 2024. We're in September, and the 0.1 version still isn't going to be released any time soon: https://github.com/orgs/sublinks/projects/1/views/6

I was hopeful for Sublinks as well at the beginning, but it seems like it's not going to be the one replacement a lot of people were waiting for.

At this point in time, I think Piefed has the highest chances at becoming a 1:1 Lemmy alternative. Development has been fast. Maybe in 6 months or a year it can really reach feature parity.

Fair enough, I hadn't been keeping track of their pace of development. Doesn't look super active.

I'm operating under the assumption that for a while the bulk of new user growth will happen on the existing larger instances, which are all running Lemmy, rather than Piefed or Mbin instances growing faster than them. I think that'll remain true even once Piefed and Mbin are more featureful than Lemmy, unless the gap is really significant.

If that turns out to be true, then for Lemmy to no longer be the dominant software, the existing big instances would need to switch, which wouldn't be a trivial task. Piefed or Mbin could add the ability to migrate an existing Lemmy database, but I assume that it would be overall easier and less risky for them to move to a Lemmy clone than to a different system.

Yes, that's also the big issue: migration.

While, to be fair, if LW moves to lemmy.world to piefed.world as the main site and keeps LW alive for archiving purposes, it should be okay. Discussions don't go over for that long anyway.

No defense, then? Lemmy is just intended as a delivery vector for shitty politics, shackled to the rotting corpse of the USSR?

Wait, when have I ever denied any genocide?

I'm sorry, that's hilarious. It's so odd, so absurd I can't help but laugh.

I've disagreements of my own, but all I want is to put them aside for a bit because this sentence deserves appreciation.

Not an mbin dev, but I do hang out in the matrix channel (because their app support is amazing).

I've brought up mbin a few times in various threads. I don't like to advertise as such, but if someone wants to know what my setup is, or is otherwise interested in self-hosting, I absolutely offer it as a suggestion.

After kbin.social died, and I didn't want to restart somewhere else just to have it die too, so I opted to self-host.

Why mbin rather than PieFed? For me, I started using it because it does threads and microbloging, and I didn't want to run two servers (and Mastodon install is a pain in the ass). I continue to endorse it because they keep fixing the problems I have with it, and they aren't jerks about bug reports. And they actually respond in chat (unlike the dead SearXNG chat).

I haven't seen any spamming (other than my own), so if you're gonna shit on them, maybe come up with some examples. As for their temperament, they've always been helpful, responsive, and pleasant to communicate with (as least with me).

One of main reasons I want to try Mbin is having lemmy style and mastodon style content in one place and afaik piefed doesn’t offer that

Counter opinion: mbin and the devs are fine.

There's a couple of people here who won't stop hopping into every thread about anything to talk about the things they make/businesses they run/etc.

Feels more like they're just a little too enthusiastic over their shit than actual shitheads, but that's just me.

Agreed. It's quite telling that despite all the asking, no one has been yet able to pinpoint a single issue on the mbin devs.

The most generous interpretation is that it's just a half-remembered thing of discontent from folks who didn't want kbin to get replaced (before it was known that kbin was dead).

Yeah I would definitely skip out on Mastodon and Lemmy directly. They're fine as a temporary visit but long term nah.

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