You should be asking why democrats are fighting so hard to keep these people out of elections.
You should be asking why republicans are trying so hard to get them IN the elections.
I know it improves their odds. But its by virtue of making elections more democratic. You let progressive parties in and then democrats lose, because democrats dont represent progressives. You want to ban progressive candidates, democrats should become more progressive to compete.
Your logic is flawed because we live in a two party system. Third parties in our current setup are only spoilers. We need to address the foundational issues FIRST and then we can get more than even 3 parties in.
Otherwise you’re going to get republicans fixing the system so they never leave power and then we’re all fucked forever with no chance of improvement.
We need to address the foundational issues FIRST
Thats what Im doing, youre vehemently opposing that change
You clearly don’t understand the meaning of first. And this is why progressives and the Green Party never make any headway. You think you’re working in a system that’s fair and will work if you just try hard enough. Except you only end up fighting the people most loosely aligned to yall and you end up letting the country move further and further to the right.
Explain it to me then. Lay out your game plan that changes the foundation, that doesnt involve electing a different party
How about they run a candidate for congress first? Why is it I only ever hear about the green party during presidential elections? That right there tells me they are nothing more then useful idiots for the right.
Good this is useful. But also wake me up when they manage to win a single state house seat or heaven forbid a us congress seat. Running a presidental candidate in the general as a spoiler only makes me hate the green party despite being alignment with a lot of their policies. It's her right to run but it's also my right to despise her and the party's position for doing that. And I also don't buy she's doing it because of her "good" morals.
This is insane. Youre demanding they win more elections but also demand they dont run because theyre spoilers, despite supporting their policies? Gee I wonder why theyre having a hard time getting elected.
That's the wrong conclusion. If two Democrats were on the ballot, they would likely still both lose because of first past the post voting. If you really want to support "making elections more democratic" push for ranked choice voting, or proportional representation.
What a surprise, guess who supports ranked choice voting? The green party! Yet another reason democrats fight so hard to keep them from competing
Because the Green Party under Jill Stein exists ONLY to be a spoiler for Democrats.
She has no actual intentions of getting elected, her only goal is to profit from appearing to do so while getting enough attention to fan her enormous ego.
You make it sound like its her decision whether or not she gets elected
She's the candidate running isn't she?
Yeah, thats the decision she gets to make, to run. Not whether or not she gets elected. She hasnt won and somehow that means she has no intention to.
Yea so what are you even saying in your previous comment? I don't even get why you're trying to push an obviously gop backed candidate.
Thinking not winning is proof someone doesnt intend to win is ridiculous
You should be asking why democrats are fighting so hard to keep these people out of elections.
You should be asking why republicans are trying so hard to get them IN the elections.
I know it improves their odds. But its by virtue of making elections more democratic. You let progressive parties in and then democrats lose, because democrats dont represent progressives. You want to ban progressive candidates, democrats should become more progressive to compete.
Your logic is flawed because we live in a two party system. Third parties in our current setup are only spoilers. We need to address the foundational issues FIRST and then we can get more than even 3 parties in. Otherwise you’re going to get republicans fixing the system so they never leave power and then we’re all fucked forever with no chance of improvement.
Thats what Im doing, youre vehemently opposing that change
You clearly don’t understand the meaning of first. And this is why progressives and the Green Party never make any headway. You think you’re working in a system that’s fair and will work if you just try hard enough. Except you only end up fighting the people most loosely aligned to yall and you end up letting the country move further and further to the right.
Explain it to me then. Lay out your game plan that changes the foundation, that doesnt involve electing a different party
How about they run a candidate for congress first? Why is it I only ever hear about the green party during presidential elections? That right there tells me they are nothing more then useful idiots for the right.
https://www.gpelections.org/?t=2022
Good this is useful. But also wake me up when they manage to win a single state house seat or heaven forbid a us congress seat. Running a presidental candidate in the general as a spoiler only makes me hate the green party despite being alignment with a lot of their policies. It's her right to run but it's also my right to despise her and the party's position for doing that. And I also don't buy she's doing it because of her "good" morals.
This is insane. Youre demanding they win more elections but also demand they dont run because theyre spoilers, despite supporting their policies? Gee I wonder why theyre having a hard time getting elected.
That's the wrong conclusion. If two Democrats were on the ballot, they would likely still both lose because of first past the post voting. If you really want to support "making elections more democratic" push for ranked choice voting, or proportional representation.
What a surprise, guess who supports ranked choice voting? The green party! Yet another reason democrats fight so hard to keep them from competing
Because the Green Party under Jill Stein exists ONLY to be a spoiler for Democrats.
She has no actual intentions of getting elected, her only goal is to profit from appearing to do so while getting enough attention to fan her enormous ego.
You make it sound like its her decision whether or not she gets elected
She's the candidate running isn't she?
Yeah, thats the decision she gets to make, to run. Not whether or not she gets elected. She hasnt won and somehow that means she has no intention to.
Yea so what are you even saying in your previous comment? I don't even get why you're trying to push an obviously gop backed candidate.
Thinking not winning is proof someone doesnt intend to win is ridiculous