AOC is right: Jill Stein’s campaign is not serious
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently made headlines for calling perennial Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein “predatory” and “not serious.” AOC is right.
Giving voters more choices is a good thing for democracy. But third-party politics isn’t performance art. It’s hard work — which Stein is not doing. As AOC observed: “[When] all you do is show up once every four years to speak to people who are justifiably pissed off, but you're just showing up once every four years to do that, you're not serious.”
To be clear: AOC was not critiquing third parties as a whole, or the idea that we need more choices in our democracy. In fact, AOC specifically cited the Working Families Party as an example of an effective third party. The organization I lead, MoveOn, supports their 365-day-a-year efforts to build power for a pro-voter, multi-party system. And I understand third parties’ power to activate voters hungry for alternatives: I myself volunteered for Ralph Nader in 2000, and that experience helped shape my lifelong commitment to people-first politics.
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Non/3rd party votes make it easier for the SMALLER party to win, and that happens to be the GOP here. This is just how FPTP voting works.
There are two possible outcomes, how could your actions not benefit one of the two possible winners?
I get that it feels icky, especially when someone views voting as a way to send a message or present their own moral views, but that's not what voting is. Not in the general election at least.
you have no authority to tell others what their motivations ought to be for voting.
Your motivations can be whatever you want. You just don't get to absolve yourself of responsibility for the results of your actions. I think that's a fair position.
so you'll take responsibility for empowering the genocide enablers?
I will take responsibility for enabling one of the two genocide enablers that I can choose from, yes. I am choosing to enable the one that contains a modicum of dissention from the status quo vs the one that wants to wipe Gaza from the map entirely.
Why would you want to enable the party that wants even more genocide than the Democrats do?
i'm not going to take responsibility for the policies of someone i vote against. that makes no sense.
You're still ignoring the realities of FPTP voting. There is precisely one way to effectively "vote against" the GOP during the general election and you seem to be advocating against it.
Explain to me how Gaza gets better if Trump wins. Or literally any issue. Even if the loss magically created a huge shift in the Democratic leadership that echoed throughout the caucus and they go all in on every progressive policy we could possibly want. Let's say they make Rashida Tlaib minority leader. Let's say every single Democrat now supports a full embargo of Israel until they cease all hostilities. Lets say every Democrat now supports whatever policy you want. How does any of that help once the government is fully controlled by fascists that will literally make it impossible for the now Super Progressive Democratic Party to ever get back in power and do those things?
If your justification for supporting the GOP is that the Democrats haven't done enough on Gaza that's fine. I just question the logic.
i'm not voting for trump.
You're just doing everything you can to help him win.
except the only thing i could do: vote for him instead of against.
i'm not supporting the gop. you're lying.
Just so everyone else is aware, we're now here.
when you lie, expect to be called out.
Calling me out would suggest you've provided some evidence that I'm lying, despite just having my reasoning clearly laid out. Reasoning that you've provided no alternative to outside of "you're lying".
So where's this call out? Explain to us how there aren't 2 possible winners of the election in our FPTP system.
::: spoiler Spoiler We're going back to "Not Uh!" :::
Jesus christ it's like we're talking to children.
They want to punish Democrats more than they want to stop the GOP. These people are willing to let Trump erase Gaza in order to say "we told you so!" to the Democrats. They don't give a shit how many more people are harmed as long as they feel like they stuck it to somebody in the voting booth.
i am the authority on who i am supporting, and my word is the only evidence you have. you are lying about who i support. and now you're gaslighting me about needing to provide evidence.
You are the authority on what you do. You don't get to ignore the results because you don't want to take responsibility. You've declared your actions, I've explained the results.
Honestly this has gone in a circle long enough. We're not going to get anywhere if you dont want to provide any kind of evidence/reasoning and basely accuse me of lying. I do appreciate you assisting illustrate a valuable point about how hollow the 3rd party justification is though. Have a nice day!
You are too by voting third party.
de la cruz, west, and Stein all oppose supporting genocide
Telling other people that their votes do not matter is a common right wing voter suppression tactic. And then they wonder why there's over 100 million people that do not vote. Because they've been told time and again that their votes only matter if they vote for one of the right wing parties.