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Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world – 1219 points –

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Hamas doesn’t use pagers, they use tunnels

Wtf is that mean. Tunnels aren't communication devices. Also Hezbollah famously has vast tunnel networks under southern Lebanon.

Wtf is that mean.

It means you have to actually go to the tunnels and fight, like the IDF is doing.

Lol that's not what they're doing.

It literally is

Oh I didn't realize you go "into" tunnels by indiscriminately bombing the things above them.

You learn something new every day.

Sometimes you bomb them so you don’t have to, or to block a means of egress. Either way it’s a legitimate military objective that justifies civilian casualties.

People could just leave the area, though. It’s not like Israel doesn’t tell them about the strike.

justifies civilian casualties.

The entire goal of hasbara is this.

Ah yes, I love going into tunnels by bombing hospitals and orphanages full of civilians, it's my favorite method. Also, are you suggesting that hamas doesn't use communication technology?

Why is a military tunnel under a hospital? (I don’t believe that Gaza had a single orphanage.)

First of all, I'm pretty sure it was proven not to be, but you can fact check me on that. Second, if it were there, it likely wasn't intentional. Third, they could have bombed the tunnel without hitting the hospital, because it wouldn't have only been under the hospital. Fourth, and again you can fact check me in this, but it would be pretty strange for a large city to have no orphanages.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/12/world/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-israel-hamas.html

Second, if it were there, it likely wasn't intentional.

It connects to, and opens into, a hospital referred to by the New York Times in 2008 as “the de facto headquarters of Hamas.” So clearly pretty intentional.

Third, they could have bombed the tunnel without hitting the hospital

They did bomb the tunnel without hitting the hospital.

Fourth, and again you can fact check me in this, but it would be pretty strange for a large city to have no orphanages.

There are zero orphanages in any American city, for instance. Not strange at all. Orphanages are kind of an archaic and disused way to handle the case of orphaned children - modern societies use a foster system, instead. Gazans simply don’t care so they make no provision at all if the family doesn’t step up, so they don’t run orphanages either.

2008 you say.

So.... 17 years ago?

Do you think they moved? Where do you think they moved it to?

OK, I'm going to let you take another few minutes and try that one again. I believe that you can figure it out on your own.

I’m asking you if you know of an alternate location from which Hamas plots attacks on Israel. Yes or no?

Hamas uses phones, hence the "Where's Daddy?" attack, which is not directed at tunnels. It's more-or-less designed to hit civilians. The clue is in the name.

It’s targeting the militant based on his phone.

Yes, specifically militants who are fathers.

Unfortunately choices have consequences

Well, the children don't have a choice, so I assume you're talking about the choice to target the militants there and not in another place.

Their father has a choice. He should act in a way that’s in his children’s best interests but if he thinks attacking Israel is more important, then the consequences will be his to live with.

I agree with you it would be better if he were simply killed, though; that’s certainly the position Israel takes on the matter.