Obama, in blunt terms, tells Black men to get over their reluctance to support Harris

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How about we concentrate on both things?

However, this is one of the only articles I've seen on it, I don't think there's a LOT of focus on it, vs. all the many many posts/articles calling out white MAGAts. It's still possible to discuss both things.

Saying that this means everyone downvoting you is racist and all the white democrats are blaming blacks for everything "like always" is beyond disingenuous.

You're right. Left out one piece though. This commenter is actually saying here that Obama is a huge racist too.

Nah, don't twist my words. Obama's a war criminal, not a racist.

I'm not twisting anything. This article is about a thing Obama said, which you're declaring as racist. You told me I was racist for agreeing with the article, which by the way I literally never did. I just disputed your separate claim. Not every issue is a binary choice between two positions and this is a perfect example of that fallacy.

And of course if you haven't seen other articles that means they don't exist.

One might note that I said this country is racist. I called the people down voting me tiresome. The first is an obvious fact. The second is an understandable opinion.

I don't suppose you remember California Prop 8. But feel free to get your feelings hurt because I mentioned racism rather than actually trying to understand what I said.

OK, are you claiming that there are more articles blaming and calling out black republicans than those calling out white MAGAts?

No, I'm pointing out the difference and quantity of articles blaming and calling out Black men than one's exploring why so many white women, specifically, vote for Republicans. Especially considering how much larger their vote is than ours.

Your experience must be much different than mine. Ive seen way, way more articles/posts/comments focusing on the latter than the former. I don't know of a source that says how many of either exist, though. But it hasn't seemed even close.

In both cases, they tend to get called out as people who are "largely voting against their own interests".

Everyone gets their own internet. But consider that I might have been paying more attention to this specific topic than you have?

Do you remember Proposition 8?

And the Post revisits — yet again — the blaming of black churchgoers for the passage of California's Proposition 8 during the 2008 election cycle. Indeed, even before that November vote, prominent white members of the LGBT community vilified religious African Americans for supposedly voting with a stridently anti-LGBT agenda. Indeed, church attendance has been called the main cause of black voters' support for Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage. https://www.npr.org/2011/03/04/134257733/the-root-the-misjudged-black-vote-on-gay-marriage

There was SO much vitriol from white Democrats, especially some members of the LGBT community....when it turned out that even if every Black person voted for gay marriage, it still wouldn't have overturned the white votes against it. In 2020, there were endless articles about the increasing number of Black men voting Republican for a 3% increase.

I'm not saying I've done a scientific study on who is writing articles about what. That's my take and reasonable people may disagree. But it is wild how many people are just straight up lying in this thread to pretend that white women don't vote for Republicans though.

Anybody with a good grasp of history should understand how quickly and often Black people become the scapegoats for anything that goes wrong.

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