You want to defederate from the largest Lemmy instance, the poster child, and the mascot of Lemmy? Good luck. They are Lemmy now.
The way .world has dominated is problematic for federation, honestly.
I agree, but it's too late now. Even Sync defaults to the .world instance, and at this rate, they'll only grow bigger.
That seems like an argument from tradition though. Just because something has default become some way doesn't mean it has to remain so. I think there's bigger principles at play, censorship of minority opinions for starters.
Yeah it won't happen on its own, there would need to be a concentrated effort to oppose .world domination at this point.
It won't be a problem until .world starts demanding mutual defederation (i.e. instances federated with .world have to pledge to defederate from instances .world deems problematic)
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It wonāt be a problem until .world starts demanding mutual defederation
To invoke the fallacy that isn't always fallacious (slippery slope) that seems like the logical next step. If they amass too much power and are already abusing it this way, what's to prevent them doing this next?
I don't think they'll do that until they federate with Threads š¤
I think the concept of a mascot or poster child for Lemmy is somewhat antithetical to the concept of federated social media. Kind of a no gods no masters situation.
Is it really federated social media now though? With how much .world has grown, they could disable federation and be their own walled garden.
instance
active users monthly
lemmy.world
34436
lemmy.ml
6716
lemm.ee
4265
Like, they have nearly 5x more active users than .ml at this point, how ridiculous is that?
I feel like itās been so active because app developers almost all default to lemmy.world. Itās a bit concerning honestly, I wish things were a bit more spread out because everyone is at the mercy of Lemmy world and as weāve seen several times it doesnāt look like the admins of the instance are making decisions based on community feedback.
I suspect most people who joined Lemmy ended up on .world because they would have gone here first:
For a while Lemmy.World was one of the first ones you came across; between that, the open signups and the āgeneral purposeā moniker, rapid growth was probably inevitable.
Add the fact that lemmy.ml and others were/still are doing applications for sign up instead of an automated system. I applied twice for a .ml account and never got a single response, not even a denial or "your application is being processed". I have no idea if my application was ever even seen.
On the other hand, I signed up to lemmy.world and kbin.social in minutes and have been using them ever since.
I was tempted to join .ml but the banner at the top of the application form was discouraging. Went to .world and here we are.
Yeah, it felt a lot like "you need to prove you're worthy" more than just proving you're not a bot.
I mean, if I wanted a walled garden I'd just go back to Reddit. Federation is part of lemmy's beauty, but if the imposition of a particular mindset through defederation becomes the norm, why would anyone respond with anything but defederation?
In short: why tolerate intolerance?
This is my take. I choose the instance that fits best for me, and I know what my admin, u/db0, uses as his litmus test for defederation. As long as you find the instance that is handled how you want, you can avoid whatever side of Lemmy you choose. That's not to say badmins don't exist or won't replace the good ones eventually, but that's the nature of decentralization. You have to be prepared to move in those cases. That's why I bounced from .world real quick.
i orniginally planned and tried alot to join lemmy.world but tiny mistakes in chaptas stopped me
5x actually isn't that bad!
I was worried about a 90-9-1 situation, with .world dominating 90% of the fediverse.
It's actually really bad. With how big it is, it's now the default for even new mobile applications, which means it will now only grow bigger. 5x is just the start. We are just seeing the start of the centralised decentralised Lemmyverse.
You want to defederate from the largest Lemmy instance, the poster child, and the mascot of Lemmy? Good luck. They are Lemmy now.
The way .world has dominated is problematic for federation, honestly.
I agree, but it's too late now. Even Sync defaults to the .world instance, and at this rate, they'll only grow bigger.
That seems like an argument from tradition though. Just because something has default become some way doesn't mean it has to remain so. I think there's bigger principles at play, censorship of minority opinions for starters.
Yeah it won't happen on its own, there would need to be a concentrated effort to oppose .world domination at this point.
It won't be a problem until .world starts demanding mutual defederation (i.e. instances federated with .world have to pledge to defederate from instances .world deems problematic)
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To invoke the fallacy that isn't always fallacious (slippery slope) that seems like the logical next step. If they amass too much power and are already abusing it this way, what's to prevent them doing this next?
I don't think they'll do that until they federate with Threads š¤
I think the concept of a mascot or poster child for Lemmy is somewhat antithetical to the concept of federated social media. Kind of a no gods no masters situation.
Is it really federated social media now though? With how much .world has grown, they could disable federation and be their own walled garden.
Like, they have nearly 5x more active users than .ml at this point, how ridiculous is that?
I feel like itās been so active because app developers almost all default to lemmy.world. Itās a bit concerning honestly, I wish things were a bit more spread out because everyone is at the mercy of Lemmy world and as weāve seen several times it doesnāt look like the admins of the instance are making decisions based on community feedback.
I suspect most people who joined Lemmy ended up on .world because they would have gone here first:
https://join-lemmy.org/
For a while Lemmy.World was one of the first ones you came across; between that, the open signups and the āgeneral purposeā moniker, rapid growth was probably inevitable.
Add the fact that lemmy.ml and others were/still are doing applications for sign up instead of an automated system. I applied twice for a .ml account and never got a single response, not even a denial or "your application is being processed". I have no idea if my application was ever even seen.
On the other hand, I signed up to lemmy.world and kbin.social in minutes and have been using them ever since.
I was tempted to join .ml but the banner at the top of the application form was discouraging. Went to .world and here we are.
Yeah, it felt a lot like "you need to prove you're worthy" more than just proving you're not a bot.
I mean, if I wanted a walled garden I'd just go back to Reddit. Federation is part of lemmy's beauty, but if the imposition of a particular mindset through defederation becomes the norm, why would anyone respond with anything but defederation?
In short: why tolerate intolerance?
This is my take. I choose the instance that fits best for me, and I know what my admin, u/db0, uses as his litmus test for defederation. As long as you find the instance that is handled how you want, you can avoid whatever side of Lemmy you choose. That's not to say badmins don't exist or won't replace the good ones eventually, but that's the nature of decentralization. You have to be prepared to move in those cases. That's why I bounced from .world real quick.
i orniginally planned and tried alot to join lemmy.world but tiny mistakes in chaptas stopped me
5x actually isn't that bad!
I was worried about a 90-9-1 situation, with .world dominating 90% of the fediverse.
It's actually really bad. With how big it is, it's now the default for even new mobile applications, which means it will now only grow bigger. 5x is just the start. We are just seeing the start of the centralised decentralised Lemmyverse.