You do realize mindsets like this are a significant contributor to the political division we see today, right? This is not the way.
Instead of shutting them out of your life and trying to cancel them, try to educate. Show them why certain views are wrong and show them the outcomes of their beliefs. Rome wasn't built in a day.
I have spent a lifetime trying to reason with conservatives. I have learned that they cannot change their foundational opinions. Changing one's mind is not a quality of a conservative.
Every act of bigotry, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism and misogyny comes from conservatives. They are famously anti-science, anti-medicine and anti-worker. Yet, you say I am the one creating division. You are clearly wrong on this one.
So you plan to solve this by isolating yourself?
I'm just trying to understand why you're thinking the way that you are.
I am not isolated in any way. In fact, I've never felt more free since openly recognizing and excluding people who espouse harmful ideologies. The friends and family I keep now are vastly superior in quality to the mix of questionable motherfuckers I allowed into my circle in the past.
I was born and raised in a conservative lifestyle. I've been around conservatives my whole life. I recently retired from an industry infested with conservatism. I kept my mouth shut for a very long time, trying to give them some benefit of the doubt. But they have always proven themselves to be exactly as vile as they claim to be.
When the pandemic hit, I found I had fantastic excuses to easily remove most conservatives from my life. After the pandemic, I have continued that trend and my stress is truly the lowest it's been my whole life.
I don't mince words when dealing with conservatives. I am not interested in debates or changing their minds or keeping relationships with them. They chose their enemies, I did not.
In advising others to disown conservatives, I am inviting normal people to work past and around conservatives rather than wasting valuable time trying to go through them. Conservatives will not change. They will never stop being bigots, misogynists, xenophobes, racists and homophobes. They will never be pro-worker, pro-science or pro-education. The very few of them that can change in any small way already have.
Conservatives genuinely delight in the misery of others, so engaging with them is not a worthwhile endeavor unless it is to put them in their place. Disowning and excluding them is a healthy way to move forward and find progress with higher quality people while avoiding the harmful, dangerous and inappropriate bullshit that comes from conservatism.
I hope that has cleared up my position for you in some way.
No, the political division we see today is because the christofacists have realized they lost their shitty "culture war" and are hellbent on destroying democracy and hurting the people they hate. Don't blame the victims. That bullshit is fucking obnoxious. Just hold hands with the people who want to strip away your rights and human dignity and everything will be great!
@MrSnowy
Instead of shutting them out of your life and trying to cancel them, try to educate. Show them why certain views are wrong and show them the outcomes of their beliefs. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Because for a lot of people "they don't care". They think that they're strong and you're weak and they can get away with what they want to do because you literally can't stop them. From their perspective, trying to "reason" with them just shows how weak and powerless you are. A lot of fascists think like this and it's why people trying to convince them never quite seem to make headway. Also, they know that weak people object to their views, but, again, they don't care.
Exactly, when compromise is 'weakness' negotiation has already failed. Guess how humans interact when negotiation fails? Violence. So the only way to negotiate with a fascist is with violence, it's the only language they respect and understand. There's a reason the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
There’s no both-sides-ism in this. Those who wish to believe the ‘positive aspects’ of slavery would just as well cut your throat as well as mine. If you keep sticking one hand on a hot stove and smacking your neighbor with the other cause you’re in pain, the problem is not your neighbor, it’s YOU
Enough of this free market of ideas rhetoric, we know that a debate isn't truly what the fascists want, what they want is a smoke screen they can use to hide behind and pretend that their ideas are just as legitimate as anyone else's. Even though weather one prefers chocolate or vanilla should be a matter of opinion, not whether or not the Jews should be going back to camp, because they definitely should not. Anyone who wants to argue otherwise is quite literally a fascist.
You do realize mindsets like this are a significant contributor to the political division we see today, right? This is not the way.
Instead of shutting them out of your life and trying to cancel them, try to educate. Show them why certain views are wrong and show them the outcomes of their beliefs. Rome wasn't built in a day.
I have spent a lifetime trying to reason with conservatives. I have learned that they cannot change their foundational opinions. Changing one's mind is not a quality of a conservative.
Every act of bigotry, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism and misogyny comes from conservatives. They are famously anti-science, anti-medicine and anti-worker. Yet, you say I am the one creating division. You are clearly wrong on this one.
So you plan to solve this by isolating yourself? I'm just trying to understand why you're thinking the way that you are.
I am not isolated in any way. In fact, I've never felt more free since openly recognizing and excluding people who espouse harmful ideologies. The friends and family I keep now are vastly superior in quality to the mix of questionable motherfuckers I allowed into my circle in the past.
I was born and raised in a conservative lifestyle. I've been around conservatives my whole life. I recently retired from an industry infested with conservatism. I kept my mouth shut for a very long time, trying to give them some benefit of the doubt. But they have always proven themselves to be exactly as vile as they claim to be.
When the pandemic hit, I found I had fantastic excuses to easily remove most conservatives from my life. After the pandemic, I have continued that trend and my stress is truly the lowest it's been my whole life.
I don't mince words when dealing with conservatives. I am not interested in debates or changing their minds or keeping relationships with them. They chose their enemies, I did not.
In advising others to disown conservatives, I am inviting normal people to work past and around conservatives rather than wasting valuable time trying to go through them. Conservatives will not change. They will never stop being bigots, misogynists, xenophobes, racists and homophobes. They will never be pro-worker, pro-science or pro-education. The very few of them that can change in any small way already have.
Conservatives genuinely delight in the misery of others, so engaging with them is not a worthwhile endeavor unless it is to put them in their place. Disowning and excluding them is a healthy way to move forward and find progress with higher quality people while avoiding the harmful, dangerous and inappropriate bullshit that comes from conservatism.
I hope that has cleared up my position for you in some way.
No, the political division we see today is because the christofacists have realized they lost their shitty "culture war" and are hellbent on destroying democracy and hurting the people they hate. Don't blame the victims. That bullshit is fucking obnoxious. Just hold hands with the people who want to strip away your rights and human dignity and everything will be great!
@MrSnowy
Because for a lot of people "they don't care". They think that they're strong and you're weak and they can get away with what they want to do because you literally can't stop them. From their perspective, trying to "reason" with them just shows how weak and powerless you are. A lot of fascists think like this and it's why people trying to convince them never quite seem to make headway. Also, they know that weak people object to their views, but, again, they don't care.
Exactly, when compromise is 'weakness' negotiation has already failed. Guess how humans interact when negotiation fails? Violence. So the only way to negotiate with a fascist is with violence, it's the only language they respect and understand. There's a reason the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
There’s no both-sides-ism in this. Those who wish to believe the ‘positive aspects’ of slavery would just as well cut your throat as well as mine. If you keep sticking one hand on a hot stove and smacking your neighbor with the other cause you’re in pain, the problem is not your neighbor, it’s YOU
Enough of this free market of ideas rhetoric, we know that a debate isn't truly what the fascists want, what they want is a smoke screen they can use to hide behind and pretend that their ideas are just as legitimate as anyone else's. Even though weather one prefers chocolate or vanilla should be a matter of opinion, not whether or not the Jews should be going back to camp, because they definitely should not. Anyone who wants to argue otherwise is quite literally a fascist.