I am not a fan of at best non-descriptive, at worst clickbait titles with one-sentence post bodies.
I see what you mean. My first post of a link from this app and I guess I wasn't sure how this was going to look. I didn't want to post anything myself hoping the article would be self explanatory.
The question remains, is Firefox damaging my phone in the long run? Is fennec better?
No, I don't recommend Fennec. Consider Mull if you want something without Mozilla's telemetry. Mull has some of Tor Browser's privacy features as well as not having telemetry.
That said, I don't think Firefox is harmful in any way.
I can't handle scrolling with Mull. Otherwise, I love it.
You'll probably have the same issue with any Firefox fork. It works fine for me, but I have pretty low standards I guess.
No. It's horribly hideous on Mull and not bad on either Firefox or Fennec.
I hate to be that person, but it's completely fine for me. Then again, I use Firefox on my old phone (Moto G) and Mull on my new phone (Pixel 8), so maybe it impacts certain models more than others? Both seem totally fine to me, with Mull on the Pixel being more pleasant due to better hardware.
I'm on a Pixel 8 myself. Compare scrolling on Mull and Firefox. I can't believe you won't notice. But if you do, you won't be able to unsee it
I just tried Fennec and Mull from F-Droid on the wikipedia main page (clicked English), and they're both about the same. I'm also on GrapheneOS with no Google Play services installed, so maybe you're seeing something I'm not.
I absolutely do see it on my Pixel 8. I went back to Firefox before because it bothered me so much. That said, I prefer everything Mull offers otherwise so I'm trying it as my default browser one more time.
with uBlock muting all 3rd party it scrolls fine here
you can change that in about:config, i think privacy.resistFingerprinting is the culprit
That sounds like it's all or nothing. I realize that any item turned off makes you more unique but not every site is making fingerprints using every feature.
I want to resist fingerprinting without decreasing the functionality of my phone. Only change the refresh rate.
I agree that's a problem, but refresh rate is one of the fingerprinting methods, and resistFingerprinting doesn't offer finetuning options (except canvas permissions?), which is what prevents me from using it
All true. But I would prefer fine tuning and taking my chances with refresh rate. Still, I'm back on Mull for now.
Thank you for the reply! I did not want to be mean, rather explain why many people would downvote this post. Welcome to Lemmy!
What's the point of telemetry in Firefox if anyway the devs do whatever they want ignoring users requests?
I mean, I think the point is to know whether it's the loudest users or the majority of users.
I do think there's a serious problem of removing the human element though. Ticking off 20% of your users might not be a big problem ... unless those 20% of your users are your biggest advocates. That's where I think Mozilla at times loses the forest for the trees.
Go Waterfox!
Good point. Gnome syndrome.
Honestly, I wouldn't worry about this. Chances are you'll replace your phone way sooner than any of this will come back to bite you. If it was bad enough to be a real problem, there would be much bigger sources talking about it.
I love how people treat Mozilla and Firefox as the sole savior of browser space from Google despite being in bed with Google, while for Firefox to not be spyware (dials home on startup, DoH to cloudflare, glean, opt-out telemetry you can't easily disable, etc) and adware (pocket, "top sites", extension ads) laden garbage, people use forks like Librewolf, ignoring browser projects that actually respect your privacy like qtweb{kit,engine} browsers (falkon, qutebrowser), gtkwebkit browsers (badwolf, luakit), and SerenityOS's ladybird browser.
Hey, i hate Google as much as the next guy, but cut Firefox some slack man. It's the best compromise we could hope for, at least compared to the browsers you suggested with their abysmal UI & UX. The goal is for privacy to become mainstream, and no one without a bondage kink would ever touch theses with a 10 foot pole.
Okay, putting Google as default browser gives it undeserved trust from your everyday user who won't bother to change it : that's a big problem, but if you want it to change, consider donating ! This will help Mozilla free itself from the mega corps.
Honestly, love Librewolf but I was totally unaware of the other engines this mentioned. Are they as full featured? Do they have mobile versions to sync with?
I am not a fan of at best non-descriptive, at worst clickbait titles with one-sentence post bodies.
I see what you mean. My first post of a link from this app and I guess I wasn't sure how this was going to look. I didn't want to post anything myself hoping the article would be self explanatory.
The question remains, is Firefox damaging my phone in the long run? Is fennec better?
No, I don't recommend Fennec. Consider Mull if you want something without Mozilla's telemetry. Mull has some of Tor Browser's privacy features as well as not having telemetry.
That said, I don't think Firefox is harmful in any way.
I can't handle scrolling with Mull. Otherwise, I love it.
You'll probably have the same issue with any Firefox fork. It works fine for me, but I have pretty low standards I guess.
No. It's horribly hideous on Mull and not bad on either Firefox or Fennec.
I hate to be that person, but it's completely fine for me. Then again, I use Firefox on my old phone (Moto G) and Mull on my new phone (Pixel 8), so maybe it impacts certain models more than others? Both seem totally fine to me, with Mull on the Pixel being more pleasant due to better hardware.
I'm on a Pixel 8 myself. Compare scrolling on Mull and Firefox. I can't believe you won't notice. But if you do, you won't be able to unsee it
I just tried Fennec and Mull from F-Droid on the wikipedia main page (clicked English), and they're both about the same. I'm also on GrapheneOS with no Google Play services installed, so maybe you're seeing something I'm not.
I absolutely do see it on my Pixel 8. I went back to Firefox before because it bothered me so much. That said, I prefer everything Mull offers otherwise so I'm trying it as my default browser one more time.
with uBlock muting all 3rd party it scrolls fine here
I wish I could agree
whats wrong with mull's scrolling?
https://www.reddit.com/r/fossdroid/comments/vy84hy/mull_browser_locked_at_60hz/
you can change that in about:config, i think privacy.resistFingerprinting is the culprit
That sounds like it's all or nothing. I realize that any item turned off makes you more unique but not every site is making fingerprints using every feature.
I want to resist fingerprinting without decreasing the functionality of my phone. Only change the refresh rate.
I agree that's a problem, but refresh rate is one of the fingerprinting methods, and resistFingerprinting doesn't offer finetuning options (except canvas permissions?), which is what prevents me from using it
All true. But I would prefer fine tuning and taking my chances with refresh rate. Still, I'm back on Mull for now.
Thank you for the reply! I did not want to be mean, rather explain why many people would downvote this post. Welcome to Lemmy!
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1898810
What's the point of telemetry in Firefox if anyway the devs do whatever they want ignoring users requests?
I mean, I think the point is to know whether it's the loudest users or the majority of users.
I do think there's a serious problem of removing the human element though. Ticking off 20% of your users might not be a big problem ... unless those 20% of your users are your biggest advocates. That's where I think Mozilla at times loses the forest for the trees.
Go Waterfox!
Good point. Gnome syndrome.
Honestly, I wouldn't worry about this. Chances are you'll replace your phone way sooner than any of this will come back to bite you. If it was bad enough to be a real problem, there would be much bigger sources talking about it.
I love how people treat Mozilla and Firefox as the sole savior of browser space from Google despite being in bed with Google, while for Firefox to not be spyware (dials home on startup, DoH to cloudflare, glean, opt-out telemetry you can't easily disable, etc) and adware (pocket, "top sites", extension ads) laden garbage, people use forks like Librewolf, ignoring browser projects that actually respect your privacy like qtweb{kit,engine} browsers (falkon, qutebrowser), gtkwebkit browsers (badwolf, luakit), and SerenityOS's ladybird browser.
Hey, i hate Google as much as the next guy, but cut Firefox some slack man. It's the best compromise we could hope for, at least compared to the browsers you suggested with their abysmal UI & UX. The goal is for privacy to become mainstream, and no one without a bondage kink would ever touch theses with a 10 foot pole. Okay, putting Google as default browser gives it undeserved trust from your everyday user who won't bother to change it : that's a big problem, but if you want it to change, consider donating ! This will help Mozilla free itself from the mega corps.
Honestly, love Librewolf but I was totally unaware of the other engines this mentioned. Are they as full featured? Do they have mobile versions to sync with?