The "intensive" phase of Israel's offensive in Gaza will soon end, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday — but he signaled he would only accept a "partial" cease-fire deal that would not end the war, and that this new phase would allow a shift in focus to the simmering conflict on the country's northern border with Lebanon.
According to Bibi...
And in the same breathe saying he doesn't want to end the war.
Bibi is facing calls from the left and right in his country to stop stalling the election. If an election happens, he's not going to win.
So he's going to keep this war going as long as possible. And is blatantly saying any slow down in Gaza would be to increase attacks on Lebanon.
It's literally the only thing keeping him in office, because war is his only excuse for not letting Israelis hold a vote.
This corresponds with the previous recent Lebanese leak that israel is going to pipe down the Genocide in 5 weeks and now commit to starting a war with Hezbollah
Why is any self respecting media outlet still describing this as a war?
War definition: a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state
Ah, so the holocaust was a war then too since some jews resisted, right? If the US government started killing illegal migrants would that be a "war"?
Always makes things so much simpler when we can just kind of make words mean whatever we want huh?
No. Hamas is an organized armed group, fighting Israel, another organized armed group. You are the one trying to twist the definition of war. It's very clear cut
The vast majority of deaths are innocent civilians. It's not a war, no.
There were holocaust survivors that armed themselves and fought back. That makes it a war by your definition. Germany and the jews of europe were just fighting a war.
See how that works?
Ugh man, sure, if you want to go that far, Jews who armed themselves and fought against Nazis were in a war. Whatever. But in war, civilians are killed.
Please recognize that you are trying to twist the definition of war here, not me.
Yeah, totally, the victims of the holocaust were just civilian casulties on the jewish side, that's just war, you know? Civilians are gonna be systematically targeted and killed, civilian infrastructure decimated intentionally etc.
The irony of you saying I'm twisting the definition of war when Israel has total control of Gaza, controls any food, water, electricity has bombed 70% of infrastructure and driven the entire population into a tiny square of land is too much. You can't actually be serious.
Gaza is an apartheid state controlled by Israel, there is no functioning state that they're overthrowing, there is no standing army or opposing military industry, they already 100% control Gaza. If the government blows up an entire block of apartments because a terrorist is hiding there that's not "war" that's indiscriminate slaughter.
Go read the definition of war again. It doesn’t require a functioning state with a standing army. It doesn’t mention anything about civilian deaths. It’s literally just 2 sides engaged in an armed conflict. Want to argue about the definition of war? Write to Merriam Webster. I don’t care
I'm using your definition of war. You just don't like it when you realize it can be used to literally erase the holocaust the same way you're trying to erase the genocide in Gaza.
War and genocide can both be happening, it doesn’t have to be one or the other. As history has proved many times.
There was this little thing that was happening around the same time as the holocaust, World War 2.
Yeah, the Germans and the jews were just two warring factions, same as the UK and Germany or the US and Japan etc. The jews weren't experiencing a genocide, they were just experiencing a war like everyone else. Right?
the point slurpinderpin and me are making is they can happen simultaneously, neither of us are denying genocide.
No, the point they're avoiding is that the word "war" is pretty obviously being used to make it seem as if these are two equal sides fighting it out. That's why the media continues to use the word "war" to describe what's happening, to make it seem like Israel is somehow justified in what they are doing and that the Gazans have some kind of agency here. It's an attempt to normalize genocide.
In reality it isn't a war, it's a slaughter in a territory where Israel controls everything already and where they are indiscriminately killing civilians, decimating civilian infrastructure (hospitals, schools, bakeries, bulldozing cemetaries etc.) and choking off aid with the deliberate aim of inflicting as much death and suffering on the people of Gaza as possible.
If I have someone tied up and am pummeling them in the face that's not a "fight", just like bombing fish in a barrel is not a 'war". It's just right wing propaganda-speak and it needs to stop.
Then the non-intense but never-ending phase begins.
They don't need an intense phase at this point. Who's left?
The non-intense part is an actual requirement for land development. I don't think their zionist settlers would like the experience of trucking beach house materials under fire or while facing blockades. Those are reserved for the aid convoys.
I don't believe their words. Stop fighting
Edit: I see OP supports Israel. After all that's become clear about their genocide.
I’m vehemently anti-Hamas. Very pro-Palestine. Hamas is a cancer to Palestine.
Israel is America’s closest ally in the region, and an important factor in maintaining our global influence. I don’t agree with their tactics, but I understand why our leadership will never turn their backs on them
There’s this thing called nuance, and you need to understand that the world is far more complicated than just “stop fighting”
lol All you've done is defend Israel here
"it's simple, Hamas just has to surrender" is not a peace plan
That's the only way this war ends. I'm just being realistic, not emotional
What about national and international pressure on the Netanyahu government?
Has that had any effect? Has international pressure ever had any effect on Israel?
Again, you might HOPE and WISH that the US will put immense pressure on Israel, but like I stated before, we won't. There are reasons why our leadership will continue to back them.
So while maybe we can all agree that it would be the best possible scenario, hoping and wishing is far from reality in this situation. Given the facts of reality, the only way this war ends is by Hamas surrendering and returning the hostages
And then the occupation continues. How does that solve anything? There will be another resistance group, of course. Israel already was a pain in the ass for Palestinians before October 7th. They don't see going back to that situation as meaningful progress.
Nothing about your stance is pragmatic. It doesn't even make logical sense. It's cowardice to give in and the rest of the world can go back to ignoring suffering of the Palestinians. Israel is genociding Palestinians and you're here blaming Hamas??
I'm not ignoring the suffering of Palestinians - the only way anything can progress however is the complete surrender of Hamas. Israel will just continue the killing until then. Why do you think they'll suddenly stop without a complete surrender?
Is that what Genocide looks like? I think it's fair to say that their military tactics in Gaza are extreme, we can agree there. But I would also say that dropping bombs on Gaza is a direct result of Hamas' actions and existence. Hamas cares as little about Palestinians as Israel (actually less I would argue). They have no interest in diplomacy or a two state solution, they're only interested in the complete destruction of Israel
Now you're at genocide denial. I'm done. Fuck that
Why would they allow almost 2 million Palestinians to live in their country if they wanted them all dead? You’re in denial that civilians are killed during wars
"their country"
🤔
Yes, if Israel wanted to kill all Palestinians, why would there be nearly 2m in Israel?
According to Bibi...
And in the same breathe saying he doesn't want to end the war.
Bibi is facing calls from the left and right in his country to stop stalling the election. If an election happens, he's not going to win.
So he's going to keep this war going as long as possible. And is blatantly saying any slow down in Gaza would be to increase attacks on Lebanon.
It's literally the only thing keeping him in office, because war is his only excuse for not letting Israelis hold a vote.
This corresponds with the previous recent Lebanese leak that israel is going to pipe down the Genocide in 5 weeks and now commit to starting a war with Hezbollah
Why is any self respecting media outlet still describing this as a war?
War definition: a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state
Ah, so the holocaust was a war then too since some jews resisted, right? If the US government started killing illegal migrants would that be a "war"?
Always makes things so much simpler when we can just kind of make words mean whatever we want huh?
No. Hamas is an organized armed group, fighting Israel, another organized armed group. You are the one trying to twist the definition of war. It's very clear cut
The vast majority of deaths are innocent civilians. It's not a war, no.
There were holocaust survivors that armed themselves and fought back. That makes it a war by your definition. Germany and the jews of europe were just fighting a war.
See how that works?
Ugh man, sure, if you want to go that far, Jews who armed themselves and fought against Nazis were in a war. Whatever. But in war, civilians are killed.
"Between 300,000–600,000 German civilians and over 200,000 Japanese civilians were killed by allied bombing during the Second World War, most as a result of raids intentionally targeted against civilians themselves." Source: https://academic.oup.com/book/9859/chapter-abstract/157134577?redirectedFrom=fulltext
"Some 75 million people died in World War II, including about 20 million military personnel and 40 million civilians" Source : https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-hccc-worldhistory2/chapter/casualties-of-world-war-ii/
Please recognize that you are trying to twist the definition of war here, not me.
Yeah, totally, the victims of the holocaust were just civilian casulties on the jewish side, that's just war, you know? Civilians are gonna be systematically targeted and killed, civilian infrastructure decimated intentionally etc.
The irony of you saying I'm twisting the definition of war when Israel has total control of Gaza, controls any food, water, electricity has bombed 70% of infrastructure and driven the entire population into a tiny square of land is too much. You can't actually be serious.
Gaza is an apartheid state controlled by Israel, there is no functioning state that they're overthrowing, there is no standing army or opposing military industry, they already 100% control Gaza. If the government blows up an entire block of apartments because a terrorist is hiding there that's not "war" that's indiscriminate slaughter.
Go read the definition of war again. It doesn’t require a functioning state with a standing army. It doesn’t mention anything about civilian deaths. It’s literally just 2 sides engaged in an armed conflict. Want to argue about the definition of war? Write to Merriam Webster. I don’t care
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/war
I'm using your definition of war. You just don't like it when you realize it can be used to literally erase the holocaust the same way you're trying to erase the genocide in Gaza.
War and genocide can both be happening, it doesn’t have to be one or the other. As history has proved many times.
There was this little thing that was happening around the same time as the holocaust, World War 2.
Yeah, the Germans and the jews were just two warring factions, same as the UK and Germany or the US and Japan etc. The jews weren't experiencing a genocide, they were just experiencing a war like everyone else. Right?
the point slurpinderpin and me are making is they can happen simultaneously, neither of us are denying genocide.
No, the point they're avoiding is that the word "war" is pretty obviously being used to make it seem as if these are two equal sides fighting it out. That's why the media continues to use the word "war" to describe what's happening, to make it seem like Israel is somehow justified in what they are doing and that the Gazans have some kind of agency here. It's an attempt to normalize genocide.
In reality it isn't a war, it's a slaughter in a territory where Israel controls everything already and where they are indiscriminately killing civilians, decimating civilian infrastructure (hospitals, schools, bakeries, bulldozing cemetaries etc.) and choking off aid with the deliberate aim of inflicting as much death and suffering on the people of Gaza as possible.
If I have someone tied up and am pummeling them in the face that's not a "fight", just like bombing fish in a barrel is not a 'war". It's just right wing propaganda-speak and it needs to stop.
Then the non-intense but never-ending phase begins.
They don't need an intense phase at this point. Who's left?
The non-intense part is an actual requirement for land development. I don't think their zionist settlers would like the experience of trucking beach house materials under fire or while facing blockades. Those are reserved for the aid convoys.
I don't believe their words. Stop fighting
Edit: I see OP supports Israel. After all that's become clear about their genocide.
I’m vehemently anti-Hamas. Very pro-Palestine. Hamas is a cancer to Palestine.
Israel is America’s closest ally in the region, and an important factor in maintaining our global influence. I don’t agree with their tactics, but I understand why our leadership will never turn their backs on them
There’s this thing called nuance, and you need to understand that the world is far more complicated than just “stop fighting”
lol All you've done is defend Israel here
"it's simple, Hamas just has to surrender" is not a peace plan
That's the only way this war ends. I'm just being realistic, not emotional
What about national and international pressure on the Netanyahu government?
Has that had any effect? Has international pressure ever had any effect on Israel?
Again, you might HOPE and WISH that the US will put immense pressure on Israel, but like I stated before, we won't. There are reasons why our leadership will continue to back them.
So while maybe we can all agree that it would be the best possible scenario, hoping and wishing is far from reality in this situation. Given the facts of reality, the only way this war ends is by Hamas surrendering and returning the hostages
And then the occupation continues. How does that solve anything? There will be another resistance group, of course. Israel already was a pain in the ass for Palestinians before October 7th. They don't see going back to that situation as meaningful progress.
Nothing about your stance is pragmatic. It doesn't even make logical sense. It's cowardice to give in and the rest of the world can go back to ignoring suffering of the Palestinians. Israel is genociding Palestinians and you're here blaming Hamas??
I'm not ignoring the suffering of Palestinians - the only way anything can progress however is the complete surrender of Hamas. Israel will just continue the killing until then. Why do you think they'll suddenly stop without a complete surrender?
How many Palestinians live in Israel?
"Approximately 1.8 million Palestinians form around 20.8 per cent of Israel’s population." Source: https://minorityrights.org/communities/palestinians/
Is that what Genocide looks like? I think it's fair to say that their military tactics in Gaza are extreme, we can agree there. But I would also say that dropping bombs on Gaza is a direct result of Hamas' actions and existence. Hamas cares as little about Palestinians as Israel (actually less I would argue). They have no interest in diplomacy or a two state solution, they're only interested in the complete destruction of Israel
Now you're at genocide denial. I'm done. Fuck that
Why would they allow almost 2 million Palestinians to live in their country if they wanted them all dead? You’re in denial that civilians are killed during wars
"their country"
🤔
Yes, if Israel wanted to kill all Palestinians, why would there be nearly 2m in Israel?
Cool, hope the intense phase ends suddenly when the terrorists are gone.
Yes, it is important to kill those kids so the next generation of terrorists never grows up. /s