A little rant about the Android operating system

John Honai :thisisfine:@mstdn.social to Android@lemmy.world – 19 points –

A little rant about the Android operating system
@android
Everyone felt weird when I said I was using custom ROMs. Most of them haven't heard about anything beyond stock android. I wrote a blog trying to normalise it.
https://text.tchncs.de/czars-blogs/custom-roms-and-my-phone

#Android #OpenSource #Privacy #Linux

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Do we really need to be so constantly cringy about it? Yes, custom ROMs are great. I run one. Lots of other people run one. They're great. Don't get me wrong. But you have to realize most people simply don't care for one, Most vendors also don't really support their phones well under GSI, so things like camera and stuff like that hardly ever work properly.

In a lot of cases, it is quite a bit of work to get a custom rom flashed and have it working well. The technological skill gap between most people who will run an Android phone and even enthusiasts who will so much as think about installing a custom ROM is so massive that you may as well be a hacker to them.

For me it's 100% about banking or payment apps that won't run if they detect a custom ROM or root. Otherwise i would consider the effort worth it, if only to free the device from the manufacturer's limited update commitment.

Ironically, I have to root every time I install a ROM just to bypass the detections 🤦‍♂️

I do absolutely agree that this sucks. However, most people don't actually need this. Yes, it's very convenient, but I found that pretty much all banking apps, at least for people I have helped support, offer a web client anyways that's just as good. It's only missing things like NFC tap payment.

Of course, don't get me wrong. A lot of solutions don't offer web UIs, and that sucks. But we can't force everyone to be a not shitty developer Sadly.

I also do really miss tap payments with my phone. It's really nice just taking my phone when I go shopping and maybe $20 in cash. Not needing to worry about my car or anything else.

While i agree and support a lot with what you are saying / trying to do, i'm not sure this is the right way to reach people. I'd say keep your blog going, but try find some nicer words and images and such (not the Anonymous kind of stuff..). The content comes off a little... strange (the word 'cringy' in the other comment was kinda wellplaced too), i hope you anderstand.

And i'm afraid most people won't be reached at all unless other ROMs are more (easier) available, like being pre-installed on devices you buy in stores.

Wished i could be of help in any way, i like your intentions and input!

Depends on the circle of people you're talking to... I'm not buying any phone without custom ROM support. And haven't done so in ages. I know several other people who've used LineageOS, GrapheneOS or Calyx at some point. I wouldn't say it's normal, but definitely not a unicorn encounter either. Just embrace it. You're a hacker now. Maybe this is a good thing. (Most certainly.)

I feel I should also say, times changed. Back in the day it was either impossible to run a Custom ROM because of some locked bootloader. Or it'd run perfectly smooth. Sometimes you'd be running a ROM of some 15 yo because that's the last person supporting that device. Today some things have changed. Security works differently. Lots of people use things like NFC payment that doesn't work that well without stock. More and more stuff has moved into the proprietary Google services. Cameras have become super complicated and AI enhanced. Running a Custom ROM feels very different from what it was 8 years ago. If you own one of the well-supported devices anyways. Because that was always an issue.

I wish this stuff was a little more mainstream. Part of it is simply self-interest: there would be more unlockable devices and fewer app developers trying to block their apps from running on third-party ROMs if more people ran them.

Part of it is I think that would be a better world. Big tech would have a bit less power. Devices would last longer.

It was a lot more mainstream in the early days of android. When the companies used to lock internet tethering, you had to root to benefit from it.

Flashing a custom ROM is an arcane process, most up to date documentation is hidden in chat apps and if you miss a step, you risk boot-looping your device with no chance of recovery or warranty.