Nice seeing so many of those that I visit often are dark. Before the blackout, there was talk of if they should go permanently. But, those discussions will happen after things go back. With Spez being a dipshit about it still, I'm thinking several of them will leave Reddit forever. I'm good with it.
I've taken my subs down for the couple of days as a starting point. Not sure I plan to bring them back up until there is change but we'll see what happens
Wow, you can't even login to reddit to check what subs are black now. Must be getting hammered to death...
Don’t even want to login to give them a hit.
Unexpected attack on reddit? Hopefully it just makes the admins more butthurt that their userbase rejects their choices, but also, hopefully the subs that did stay open (to help people, like r ukraine or self help subs) aren't interrupted too much...
I can open r/ukraine on RIF. 3rd party apps still work.
Most will shut down on June 30 when reddit is overcharging to use the api, essentially to force them out and make you use their app with tracking and advertising.
Yeah, that's why I'm here. Ironic that the current status is that the site is down but 3rd party apps work..
Site seems to be back up now.
4909 dark atm, sad to see it slowly coming down. Hold!! Hold!!
I'm pissed about r/pcmasterrace not protesting. Anyone knows why?
in general I would assume any subs not participating are run by mods who value their mod status more than the quality of their community
subreddit named after Nazi propaganda has bootlicker mods, wow, what a surprise
"subreddit named after Nazi propaganda"
Please.
r/PCHerrenrasse must have been taken.
Nazi propaganda
Wat
"master race"
But that comes from a joke from a Witcher 1 review. How can you compare one with the other?
I guess I'm out of the loop. When I hear master race I think of white supremacy, not a Witcher 1 review
Why assume the worst?
Seems like Reddit is completely down now. Frontpage hasn't loaded for 15 or 20 minutes.
RIF still works lol.
That probably won't last given Spez's bullshit, but I gotta say, Lemmy is looking pretty promising. The Jeroba mobile app is a little underwhelming though, voting and replying to comments is a hassle. Maybe the RIF dev will make a Lemmy app or help improve Jeroba.
The RedReader Dev had said he's looking to include Lemmy.
Never tried that one either, I usually used RiF. Is that on Android?
Yep. You can get it on FDroid package manager or the Google Play Store.
Awesome, thanks!
How is it a hassle? It seems perfect-enough to me.
At least on Android, I can't respond to or vote on responses that show up in my inbox. Clicking on the message itself does nothing instead of taking me to the message. The UI definitely needs improvements in usability but it's still very much in development as far as I could tell.
I think it's having trouble keeping up with the rush of users. I'll admit though it's pretty frustrating that my upvotes don't register. I get "timeout" after a few seconds.
I only seem to be having that problem with Jeroba. In the browser it seems to work fine with the lemmies I've tried
At first it was both, couldn't upvote on the browser or Jerboa. Since this afternoon though I haven't been getting a timeout error on Jerboa.
Edit: nevermind it's happening again. Maybe it's happening due to server load?
Oh! I just figured that out -- try tapping-and-holding for a second. Some menu options should come up then.
Thanks I'll give that a try. Upvote/downvote/reply should all just appear by default though IMO
Miner's android, I am using jerboa, and they are appearing automatically for me.
Hmm, maybe my app is just borked then. I'll try wiping app data and reinstalling.
Love this website, well done Dev/s
I feel like each time a sub goes private there should be a custom final message or something. Like a last post saying "Goodnight and good luck" 😅
The website is redirecting me to the livestream now.
Nevermind, just seen the note—it's because of too much traffic.
There's also a Twitch stream linked at the top of the page. Join us in sitting around, watching, and chatting as the proverbial shit hits the fan!
if the site won't load for you, the link is twitch.tv/reddark_247
I decided to check the front page (as in /r/popular, what people see by default) out of morbid curiosity since most of Reddit has gone dark now, and honestly it’s like nothing has changed for the casual user.
The biggest subs with the most traffic haven’t gone dark at all, and all the same posts and popular stuff still fill the front page, so for many people I suspect they’re not even going to feel this, but maybe it’s a bit too premature to be making this conclusion, let’s see what happens.
EDIT: I was somewhat premature with this post, even /r/popular is pretty barren as things move nowhere near as fast. That being said, it's disappointing to see how much is still open, and how some subreddits (such as /r/pcmasterrace) are clearly missing the point by allowing "certain posts".
IDK, seems quite dessert in my end. From my subscriptions most are gone (except vim, vulkan, accidentalgimbli and some very small ones, shame on them) and the front page (edit: r/popular) looks very empty too, with very little posts (many of them from "not too nice" communities anyway, like there was an attempt, publicfreakout and such, which is kind of on brand)
I suspect curated lists will definitely feel a huge impact, but if I had to guess (and I may be wrong), most traffic comes from browsing the default front page (/r/popular). There isn't quite as much content, but there's still definitely a lot of the same stuff still around.
I could just be too early of course, as many are still in the process of shutting down and people haven't gotten off Reddit yet.
So are subreddits still planning to stay shut for only 2 days or are we extending that? Because 2 days does not seem enough for this.
A lot of subreddits will stay closed indefinitely.
I feel this won't happen. If big subs continue to be dark too long, the reddit admins would simply remove the hostile volunteer mods and reopen the subs. The mods are used to being gods of their little domains. If they cross the line, they will be reminded that they own nothing. They can obey reddit or they can be replaced.
That is what I see in the future for any mods that try to hold subs hostage indefinitely.
A possible problem is that they would be forced to find new volunteers to run them. While I bet there's many who want to be "gods" I bet it's harder to find people who can do it well enough to run a 10+ million forum. Especially hamstringed by reddits lack of modtools.
So sure, Reddit can remove the mods and do it multiple times but it will continuously lead to a worse experience and sooner or later an unacceptable amount of spam, hate and CP will cause the advertisers to pull their ads.
I feel like ad revenue is not their top monetization priority personally. It's speculation of course. But I think they are learning that the free content the users create will generate much more revenue from mega corps who want access to all of it to train emerging AIs. Data, specifically YOUR data is valuable. What posts do you look at? What do you upvote? What do you downvote? What subreddits do you subscribe to? There is a wealth of information they will monetize. This is why I think they don't care that the little app devs can't afford their new API pricing. They can't give the app devs one price then think Microsoft, Google, Apple and other multi-billion dollar corps would pay a higher price.
Again, this is just my speculation. But the suddenness and the exorbitant price means they want to act now, and capitalize on this new market while it's good. Their terms of service specifically say everything you post, you give them a license to use, sell, or sub-license without dispute, forever. This isn't about ads.
I was thinking the same thing. Probably why the timeline is so fast too with only giving people a month's notice of the API costs. And could also be true of twitter.
ChatGPT and other LLMs are gaining a lot of value from information freely available online and sites with large user generated text submissions like Reddit/twitter want a piece of the pie.
This is absolutely true. There are often calls for 'anyone want to mod' on even smaller subs... and you know, it sounds fun to a lot of folks at first. But if you've ever actualy been a mod, even of a smaller community online? It loses its appeal very quickly.
I am curious how much time you would say a mod spends a day modding
I’ve seen plenty of communities where it’s clear that the mods only stop by from time to time and they get by just fine, spam and malicious posts will still be a small minority. Some set automod on a shoot first, ask questions later setting where all reported comments get deleted until the mod restores them.
I really don’t think finding new moderation will be an issue. As much as it would be nice for Reddit to be screwed over by the mods it’s going to be a non-issue for them, there’s already measures in place to prevent subreddit parking and plenty of willing volunteers.
Every so often I see a sub going public again - any theory on what that means? Mods changing their minds? Reddit installing its own mods?
It takes some time for Reddit to sync correctly. If they flash it means the mods changed to private!
Would be nice to see a graph over time
Nice seeing so many of those that I visit often are dark. Before the blackout, there was talk of if they should go permanently. But, those discussions will happen after things go back. With Spez being a dipshit about it still, I'm thinking several of them will leave Reddit forever. I'm good with it.
I've taken my subs down for the couple of days as a starting point. Not sure I plan to bring them back up until there is change but we'll see what happens
Wow, you can't even login to reddit to check what subs are black now. Must be getting hammered to death...
Don’t even want to login to give them a hit.
Unexpected attack on reddit? Hopefully it just makes the admins more butthurt that their userbase rejects their choices, but also, hopefully the subs that did stay open (to help people, like r ukraine or self help subs) aren't interrupted too much...
I can open r/ukraine on RIF. 3rd party apps still work.
Most will shut down on June 30 when reddit is overcharging to use the api, essentially to force them out and make you use their app with tracking and advertising.
Yeah, that's why I'm here. Ironic that the current status is that the site is down but 3rd party apps work..
Site seems to be back up now.
4909 dark atm, sad to see it slowly coming down. Hold!! Hold!!
I'm pissed about r/pcmasterrace not protesting. Anyone knows why?
in general I would assume any subs not participating are run by mods who value their mod status more than the quality of their community
subreddit named after Nazi propaganda has bootlicker mods, wow, what a surprise
"subreddit named after Nazi propaganda"
Please.
r/PCHerrenrasse must have been taken.
Wat
"master race"
But that comes from a joke from a Witcher 1 review. How can you compare one with the other?
I guess I'm out of the loop. When I hear master race I think of white supremacy, not a Witcher 1 review
Why assume the worst?
Seems like Reddit is completely down now. Frontpage hasn't loaded for 15 or 20 minutes.
RIF still works lol.
That probably won't last given Spez's bullshit, but I gotta say, Lemmy is looking pretty promising. The Jeroba mobile app is a little underwhelming though, voting and replying to comments is a hassle. Maybe the RIF dev will make a Lemmy app or help improve Jeroba.
The RedReader Dev had said he's looking to include Lemmy.
Never tried that one either, I usually used RiF. Is that on Android?
Yep. You can get it on FDroid package manager or the Google Play Store.
Awesome, thanks!
How is it a hassle? It seems perfect-enough to me.
At least on Android, I can't respond to or vote on responses that show up in my inbox. Clicking on the message itself does nothing instead of taking me to the message. The UI definitely needs improvements in usability but it's still very much in development as far as I could tell.
I think it's having trouble keeping up with the rush of users. I'll admit though it's pretty frustrating that my upvotes don't register. I get "timeout" after a few seconds.
I only seem to be having that problem with Jeroba. In the browser it seems to work fine with the lemmies I've tried
At first it was both, couldn't upvote on the browser or Jerboa. Since this afternoon though I haven't been getting a timeout error on Jerboa.
Edit: nevermind it's happening again. Maybe it's happening due to server load?
Oh! I just figured that out -- try tapping-and-holding for a second. Some menu options should come up then.
Thanks I'll give that a try. Upvote/downvote/reply should all just appear by default though IMO
Miner's android, I am using jerboa, and they are appearing automatically for me.
Hmm, maybe my app is just borked then. I'll try wiping app data and reinstalling.
Love this website, well done Dev/s
I feel like each time a sub goes private there should be a custom final message or something. Like a last post saying "Goodnight and good luck" 😅
The website is redirecting me to the livestream now.
Nevermind, just seen the note—it's because of too much traffic.
There's also a Twitch stream linked at the top of the page. Join us in sitting around, watching, and chatting as the proverbial shit hits the fan!
if the site won't load for you, the link is twitch.tv/reddark_247
I decided to check the front page (as in /r/popular, what people see by default) out of morbid curiosity since most of Reddit has gone dark now, and honestly it’s like nothing has changed for the casual user.
The biggest subs with the most traffic haven’t gone dark at all, and all the same posts and popular stuff still fill the front page, so for many people I suspect they’re not even going to feel this, but maybe it’s a bit too premature to be making this conclusion, let’s see what happens.
EDIT: I was somewhat premature with this post, even /r/popular is pretty barren as things move nowhere near as fast. That being said, it's disappointing to see how much is still open, and how some subreddits (such as /r/pcmasterrace) are clearly missing the point by allowing "certain posts".
IDK, seems quite dessert in my end. From my subscriptions most are gone (except vim, vulkan, accidentalgimbli and some very small ones, shame on them) and the front page (edit: r/popular) looks very empty too, with very little posts (many of them from "not too nice" communities anyway, like there was an attempt, publicfreakout and such, which is kind of on brand)
I suspect curated lists will definitely feel a huge impact, but if I had to guess (and I may be wrong), most traffic comes from browsing the default front page (/r/popular). There isn't quite as much content, but there's still definitely a lot of the same stuff still around.
I could just be too early of course, as many are still in the process of shutting down and people haven't gotten off Reddit yet.
So are subreddits still planning to stay shut for only 2 days or are we extending that? Because 2 days does not seem enough for this.
A lot of subreddits will stay closed indefinitely.
I feel this won't happen. If big subs continue to be dark too long, the reddit admins would simply remove the hostile volunteer mods and reopen the subs. The mods are used to being gods of their little domains. If they cross the line, they will be reminded that they own nothing. They can obey reddit or they can be replaced.
That is what I see in the future for any mods that try to hold subs hostage indefinitely.
A possible problem is that they would be forced to find new volunteers to run them. While I bet there's many who want to be "gods" I bet it's harder to find people who can do it well enough to run a 10+ million forum. Especially hamstringed by reddits lack of modtools.
So sure, Reddit can remove the mods and do it multiple times but it will continuously lead to a worse experience and sooner or later an unacceptable amount of spam, hate and CP will cause the advertisers to pull their ads.
I feel like ad revenue is not their top monetization priority personally. It's speculation of course. But I think they are learning that the free content the users create will generate much more revenue from mega corps who want access to all of it to train emerging AIs. Data, specifically YOUR data is valuable. What posts do you look at? What do you upvote? What do you downvote? What subreddits do you subscribe to? There is a wealth of information they will monetize. This is why I think they don't care that the little app devs can't afford their new API pricing. They can't give the app devs one price then think Microsoft, Google, Apple and other multi-billion dollar corps would pay a higher price.
Again, this is just my speculation. But the suddenness and the exorbitant price means they want to act now, and capitalize on this new market while it's good. Their terms of service specifically say everything you post, you give them a license to use, sell, or sub-license without dispute, forever. This isn't about ads.
I was thinking the same thing. Probably why the timeline is so fast too with only giving people a month's notice of the API costs. And could also be true of twitter.
ChatGPT and other LLMs are gaining a lot of value from information freely available online and sites with large user generated text submissions like Reddit/twitter want a piece of the pie.
This is absolutely true. There are often calls for 'anyone want to mod' on even smaller subs... and you know, it sounds fun to a lot of folks at first. But if you've ever actualy been a mod, even of a smaller community online? It loses its appeal very quickly.
I am curious how much time you would say a mod spends a day modding
I’ve seen plenty of communities where it’s clear that the mods only stop by from time to time and they get by just fine, spam and malicious posts will still be a small minority. Some set automod on a shoot first, ask questions later setting where all reported comments get deleted until the mod restores them.
I really don’t think finding new moderation will be an issue. As much as it would be nice for Reddit to be screwed over by the mods it’s going to be a non-issue for them, there’s already measures in place to prevent subreddit parking and plenty of willing volunteers.
Every so often I see a sub going public again - any theory on what that means? Mods changing their minds? Reddit installing its own mods?
It takes some time for Reddit to sync correctly. If they flash it means the mods changed to private!