I am tempted to start using the [@Vivaldi](https://social.vivaldi.net/@Vivaldi) browser but then I looked\* at the diversity in the underlying technology and I think it is better to promote and start
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I am tempted to start using the @Vivaldi browser but then I looked* at the diversity in the underlying technology and I think it is better to promote and start using @firefox :firefox: more.
Or should we leave it to #Google :omya_google: and #Apple :apple_inc: only❓
I'm curious 😅 @Vivaldi why not use SpiderMonkey and Gecko❓
*Table was created with the help of #Bard
Vivaldi is not fully open-source
it's source-available
Your moms source available.
(Sorry... I'm feeling goofy today)
Firefox + uBlock Origin is the only thing that makes mobile browsing tolerable. Ads are so bad, and web design so poor, that even if you're someone who is usually ok with advertising you'll often find that sites are literally broken if you allow them to render.
You can use Cromite (Bromite fork) or Kiwi Browser as well if you're on Android
I believe those are both Chromium, right? I'm suspicious that when manifest v2 support ends in Chromium it will kill ad blockers across the Chromium market.
Cromite uses some built-in adblocker based off ABP and doesn't have extensions
Safari isn't open source but there's Gnome Web.
It's built on the open source WebKit engine.
also yeah you made a mistake there. webkit is in fact foss.
Avoid proprietary software.
Google Chrome, Opera, Microsoft Edge and Vivaldi are not open source. Chromium is open source but all those browsers add additional proprietary functionality on top.
Edit: I read the table wrong. The open source columns seem to be about their left column. Still, I find the table to be misleading. Especially since almost all browsers use an open source engine, except Safari. Imo it's more important whether the actual browser is open source. Which boils down to Firefox and Tor and Brave as far as I know.
were opera is open source lmao
most of that list is not opensource, only firefox, everything has just chromium as opensource, what don't change anything because the company can put the same crappy on top of chromium
I mean the list never said that the browser is opensource. The opensource column is for the respective technology to the left of it. So it describes if the js and browser engines are opensource.
I used to use Opera back when they had their own JavaScript and rendering engine, then bailed and switched back to Firefox when they became a chromium clone.
That's a weird chart in the thumbnail.
Almost all of the common chromium based browsers, but only mainline firefox.
Anyway, it's definitely a good thing to use more than just the chrome based browsers for the exact reason you said.
However, vivaldi is a decent choice for when you need to. Yeah, their ui isn't open source, but it really doesn't matter in real world use. The only other option for me is ungoogled chromium, and cromite on android.
On android, my main browser is mull, with Iibrewolf on PC. I can't say any non chromium browsers are perfect on android, but mull is plenty fast and does everything you want it to do, and doesn't do what you don't want.
Probably because chromium based browsers are often marketed as completely separate ones. Browsers based on it want to make the impression that they are a unique browser with outstanding functionality etc.
Edge? It's Edge, OUR BROWSER, YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE.
Vivaldi? It's Vivaldi, "we built the best browser with most features blabla".
Opera? It's Opera, "better, faster and more secure than a default browser".
In contrast, librewolf.net's first sentence is literally "A custom version of Firefox...". Mullvad also says it's a collaboration with Tor, and a paragraph down they explicitly say it's Tor, and therefore FF, based.
Many users, me included, don't see Librewolf or Tor as separate browsers, because the former is basically just a preconfigured FF, and the latter adds an access point to the Tor network and removes some privacy/security harming features (eg. Sync). The Browser, its features, design and features, stay the same.
@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox
Maybe Gecko still hasn't become embeddable again❓:
https://www.chrislord.net/2016/02/24/the-case-for-an-embeddable-gecko/
For the Vivaldi choice : https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-vs-google-chrome/#Whats\_in\_an\_engine
You can use Floorp, which is a soft fork of Firefox with Vivaldi features
Personally I'm hyped for Servo
I think it's years off until it's usable though. Their current focus is on embedded devices iirc because no engine does that well
Sure but it's something to be hyped for.
Yeah for sure
@PropaGandalf Didn't know @servo , looks interesting
@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox
https://privacytests.org
Does Firefox on Android still have whatever supposed flaw the graphene os team said it has? Their own chromium based browser is very lacking in the UX department. Very thumb crampy button layout. They also recommended bromite which is dead. There is cromite which is a fork but it largely has the same issues. I use Firefox on PC, and literally everything else is entirely untrustworthy. The goog has created a pretty lousy situation for the internet where everyone proudly simps for their favourite shitty chrome clones that take advantage of their users.
@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml from my experience, @Firefox is very good and honestly, the option to customize your browser clean and choose specific settings/changes that Firefox gives you helps your #Privacy. Other things like @brave are there too. I think brave is based on Firefox. In my opinion, we should not wait for google and apple to hope they would do a Browser which has #OpenSource engines, with many add ons or other things and is private friendly. So, stay more with Firefox. #privacy ftw.
Brave is based on Chromium, not Firefox.
There are Firefox derivatives, but most "alternative" browsers are based on Chromium.
@Senshiro @dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml @Firefox@mstdn.social @brave There are things in firefox that piss me off. But, unfortunately, I did not find an alternative
@SergoZar @dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml @Firefox @brave what were points that you don't like of it? So from that it depends what alternative would be the best
@Senshiro
1/?
@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml @Firefox@mstdn.social @brave
@Senshiro
And I still want something that is not in any browser, so I did not add them to this list (and it is also difficult to formulate them because I only remember them when they can be useful)
Basically, Opera and Vivaldi are suitable for points 2-5 (and even for the first point, Vivaldi is suitable, but partially). But they are all closed source and therefore not suitable. So I have to work on Firefox
2/?
@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml @Firefox@mstdn.social @brave
@Senshiro
P.S. Chrome/Chromium/Ungoogled Chromium - do not offer because they have a terrible inconvenient interface and 0 possibilities to configure something.
The only option that suits me is probably to make my browser based on either Firefox or Ungoogled Chromium. But I don't know how, even though I'm a programmer
3/3
@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox@lemmy.ml @Firefox@mstdn.social @brave
@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox I recommend using a fork of firefox called librewolf a better version of it in terms of privacy and less bloatware. #Bard has limited knowledge and erroneous data.