I think this is also heavily related to the CSAM issue, because

A.) Its horrible to read about in the first place B.) Its makes users more reluctant to browse content in general C.) It makes users more reluctant to browse content at work or in public places

I think that scared off many users (it also scared me off a bit). I think if Lemmy finds a solution to fight this kind of stuff and gives users some reassurance that the problem is handled will bring many users back. I think the importance of content moderation and SPAM defense should be the biggest learning points of the first Lemmy loop.

You can already see how Meta will also use imagery to establish its centre-position in the Fediverse with its symbol for the Fediverse (it has a centre):

(from https://mastodon.social/@liaizon@wake.st/112139602260820054)

I have to switch between subscribed/local/all feed all the time. That's why I proposed a mixed-feed, which merges Subscribed/Local/All feed according to users settings so you don't have to switch all the time.

I already created an issue: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2137

Just looked up what FANG means - what the hell does Netflix in there? Seriously Netflix doesn't do shit. Typical case of forced acronyms ;)

Without the fediverse a viable non-surveilled internet might not be able to exist.

I would agree. Mastodon made search opt-in. There will always be communities and users that refuse to be searchable and that should be fine.

Me too but we are also on lemmy.world which is well moderated (and I think also has the resources to do so)

I meant stories you experienced when using corp-owned social networks

Thanks! I did that also because sometimes these technicalities change (at least the not underlying ones). For example in many graphics you have still Twitter but its now X.

This was also complained about in this post: https://www.androidauthority.com/reddit-alternatives-lemmy-3335429/ and probably mirrors experiences of other lemmy-users, especailly new-comers.

One paragraph reads: "Sure, there are categorization tools like Lemmy map that let you look up instances, but the Matrix-like grid will certainly not make things any easier for the average user. Even after logging into Lemmyworld, it took me a while to figure out that the local tab restricts all conversations to discussions on the Lemmyworld server. Switching the tab to all and catching up on discussions happening in the broader multiverse of Reddit alternatives is also possible. Still, there’s no visual identifier that guides you toward it."

This was also my first impression of Lemmy and why I almost dropped it: I thought I could only interact with the communities on my server, which was very frustrating until I saw the filter for "all" and that I could join them just like that. Then it was fine.

message boards

But thats what Mastodon does effectively. Then Lemmy would be another micro blogging service in the fediverse

American Gods. I mean, still better would have been to just do it as good as the first season

Remember, there’s no revenue to compete over here. Analyses that depend on standard capitalist competition should be expected to not only be inaccurate here, but incoherent. They simply don’t describe the actual incentives for people’s behavior.

Maybe, but its just a model. You need to be more specific. I want at least a counter-example ;)

From a game theory perspective: You have no reason to believe that this specific payoff matrix actually describes the situation here. There are lots of other games besides the Prisoners Dilemma. Are you really sure you’re not looking at a Stag Hunt, or a Battle of the Sexes (terrible name, but that’s what the papers call it)?

Oh, I think you are right. Stag Hunt does fit better ... But I think it doesn't change anything about the overall argumentation (I think I actually accidentally used the numbers of stag hunt in the picture)

Jar jar binks. I found him actually funny as a kid

My bad, that's a bit inconsistent. Actually I think it should be a graphic for mastodon - the talking bird analogy just makes the most sense there. Although it kind of works for the other too ...

Well most of the complexity would be hidden. For example the Mastodon mobile client hides much of it. You can even sign up for a server there.

My main concern is the overlap between lemmy instances, meaning me and my mate can be looking at for example a channel named ‘news’ and see different contents because we are on different instances. So you either subscribe to all news channels on all major instances and see lots of duplicated posts, or miss out on some posts.

Yeah there has been much debate going on about that here

I think the joinlemmy is currently worked on

I'm not sure something like this will be the killer app for the Fediverse.

I think its more a transition-app as long as we have protocol wars. Most people are good with having access to the majority of the Fediverse and probably dont even know about the others.

Its still a great idea!

Do you know how far the development is? (just curious)

Fair enough. I take it into account next time.

Piefed has topics, so different fediverse communities can be viewed through the Fediverse-topic for example

I'm all in for federation. Thats what I'm actually trying to improve

Where am I critical of the underlying software?

You are describing a different thing than what the idea of the fediverse is. Content is collected at an instance and these instances federate. That's why its called Fediverse: people basically form groups, these group federate. It's a social thing, there is trust involved. With blockchain, the idea is that you don't need to trust a central entity.

I think you talk about something like nostr.

I guess its federated so the people running it will determine that.

Also, if you have to sign in with ORCHID, which identifies you, you will be careful to post useless garbage papers. I think the integration of ORCHID is really clever. That's at least what I think it will be used for too, right?

But you NEED a functioning feed to discover new stuff ACROSS the threadiverse. How else will you be able to find other communities?

House of Cards

It especially began to suck when it swapped over to real life :(

But they are similar problems and I assumed the overall problem is very familiar to people around here

Sounds great. I mean, given the size of lemmy.world it sure doesn't hurt it and it will certainly distribute more user attention to smaller communities, which will hopefully activate smaller communities from remote instance, which will in turn make the overall conversation quality on lemmy better.

Excited to see whether it will be a noticable effect but I would think so

That's a very narrow defintion of decentralization. Nostr is more dezentralized than the fediverse sure. But its not like going full-steam dezentralization will necessarily result in the best service. For example content moderation would be pretty difficult then I imagine.

I think its about writing a bad, low-effort post and then seeing it being taken over by shit posters.

Fixing code from the some lost, old gods? This one will truly haunt me ...

No it doesn't. It addresses a different problem, namely: posts from small instances should be somehow boosted in my feed.

The problem I try to address is regarding posts from my local instance vs. posts from all federated instances. I would like to have a sorting that gives up a good mix here and that would also be in line with admin's motivations to keep their instances alive. As described here: https://lemmy.world/post/5110168 their chose to promote the All/Explore or the Local feed can be modeled with problem from game theory and can result in admins to choosing to promote only the local feed if they find that the All-feed gives their posts a disadvantage and over long, drains away their user engagement. Scaled sort will not be able to fix that.

(Actually should have written that in the description)

I updated it. Thanks for the hint

I think the point of Nostr is that its that dezentralized by default, for which I think: why force that much dezentralization on to everybody? What's the merit?

Ignoring the fact that having a proper recommendation AI for every single user would be environmentally disastrous, it would also place much more burden on the ones hosting instances. Keep in mind that most instances are hosted by people who do not earn anything from them and that many bigger instances already had to rent bigger servers because of the influx of people. Adding computationally expansive algorithms in the mix would just increase the cost for the volunteers on top of signing the death of some smaller instances run on a tight budget.

Ok, I didn't think of that :(

It would also be prone to recreating the SEO mess that we can see today on social medias like youtube where, if you want to grow your community, satisfying the algorithm becomes more important than the actual content of your posts.

I think federation should solve that right? If an instance has to aggressive algorithms it gets defederated and people leave.

However, I would have no issues with an algorithm that a user of an instance could run on their devices and tweak to their liking. This solution would probably be less convenient but would avoid most of the mess.

That would be cool

Interesting. Where can I view this roadmap?

I think it shouldnt ban companies per se. But yeah, if its all build up on open source software and a more healthy culture it will all be for the better. Thats why I wrote "better" silicon valley

I think it could work like this:

The moderators of each community are primarily responsible for their posts and keep an eye on the moderation by the other community. If one side is unhappy with the moderation of the other, they can cut the link and vice versa.

Administrators act as if the others community’s post are part of the community on their instance too. If there are weird posts, the community gets banned etc.

I think Linking would be great.

I updated it, I didn't include https://jointhefediverse.net/ because it seems to be run by only one person and it doesn't include lemmy :( People sending this image can also send it with a link to some point in the fediverse they like

Yes, because for smaller communities, the All-Feed would still mean that they aren't present there. They would still chose the local-feed.

It would also be nice for people who chose their instances for a reason and want them to give them a bit more attention than other instances but don't want to switch back and worth between All and Local. I think there are many of that.

Right but I wouldn't say its seen as such in the general discourse of society (at least not yet). Maybe that could change more in the next years?

I'm basically just suggesting a feed that takes the Local and All feed, and merges it 50/50. Meaning you have the posts in the order in which you would normally see them but in the same feed. And its not like first a Local post, then an All post, then the next Local post but a bit more shaked up: for each post in the list, a coin is thrown if the next local or all post is picked.