As an outsider I'm always amazed at that "land of the free" that is insistent on censoring stuff, and "home of the brave" that will run through the mud someone standing for freedom and having principles.
Once you realize that there are actually two Americas occupying the same geographic space, then everything makes more sense.
Only two? I thought we were more divided than that by now
I honestly like the number eleven for the division in the US. There's even a nice map.
As someone born and raised here. It was always do as I say not as I do propaganda. America has been one of the most bigoted arrogant countries of the last 100 years.
America has been one of the most bigoted arrogant countries of the last 100 years.
Arrogant maybe, but bigoted? I don't agree- its not even in the top 15 compared to all the countries that have done intentional large scale genocides in the past 100 years
On the one hand, you are splitting hairs. On the other hand, Nazi Germany took notes from Jim Crow. SCOTUS is still today ignoring and invalidating treaties we signed with Native Americans. Our medical system is a slow genocide against black people, with capitalism as the cover story for why so many black women die during childbirth.
Yeah the literal holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, etc. It might seem flippant for the other person to have said that, but in the US we really do have fractal bigotry. And a fresh layer of politicians willing to cover it up by force.
It's not big bigotry. It's small bigotry. But small bigotry adds up...
Arrogant maybe, but bigoted? I don’t agree-
America was founded by religious zealots that were considered too extreme in Europe. Glad you don't agree, but history doesn't have to agree with you.
One of the bigger genocides was committed by a group that literally modeled themselves after us in many ways. Especialy the bigotry. The US and Canada were still performing genocide on first nations people into the 1970s and 80s. They're still finding unmarked mass graves. And that's not even mentioning the race massacres across the US. Of which Oklahoma was just one. And that's only the tip of the iceberg of the things that we did to ourselves. And doesn't cover any of the clandestine actions perform across the rest of the world. Destabilizing other nations. Causing constant Wars strife and suffering all for our benefit.
America was founded on bigotry. Those pilgrims. They came here because the rest of Europe didn't want to roll over and allowed them to enforced their hatred on everyone else. Not to mention the slavery even.
We've made progress since those days for sure. But generally far less than most other nations we do business with. And far less than we would like to believe.
*down votes but no rebuttals. To whomever that was. I'll take that as your acknowledgment of being wrong.
Uh, hello? Native Americans? Enslavement of Africans?
The Civil Rights Act was signed in 1964. That was only 60 years ago.
There are pictures of Bernie Sanders being arrested while protesting segregation. Bernie isn't the oldest serving senator, and there are currently serving senators who have received "F" grades on their civil rights voting records, despite claiming to support civil rights.
I think it is entirely accurate to state that America is a bigoted nation.
Aparthied was in South Africa until later, now it's policies are being completely reversed- a similar thing has happened in the US.
Red America is blatantly bigoted to LGBTQ+ to the point of passing laws allowing government control over their bodies when the bigots deem appropriate. The goalposts are not all the same from one part of red america to the rest.
Red America hates immigrants openly unless they have the right skin color.
Blue America hates immigrants behind closed doors and develops programs that covertly support the upper middle class while handing out some scraps to others.
Example: Did you know your parents can be billionaires and you can get a 2bedroom luxury apartment in downtown Boston for ~250k so long as you have less than 75k in assets and less than ~80k in income? For poor people saving that much up is tough... for children of the rich though? Trivial! Get an easy cushy job that pays just below the limit and buy the 2BR apartment in downtown Boston for cheap then once the house closes have mommy and daddy get you a big paying job at one of their friends' businesses and start buying more and more housing to rent out, living in el-cheapo 250k-worth-1.5-million-apartment. You can't sell it for ~80 years, but there's nothing saying your girlfriend or mistress can't move in before then. You don't owe more than the original 250k even if you suddenly start making millions or billions of dollars. That's what I call a first time home ownership opportunity.
We (Americans) have our share of bigots, but I understand what you're trying to say. There are many theocratic dictatorships where genocide and violent intolerance is law. There are counteies that are actively engaged in state-sponsored ethnic cleansing, and people are openly hostile to outsiders.
But I would point out that our historical atrocities aren't as long ago as you seem to want them to be.
I'm always amazed that people seem to think the USA is a monolith.
Why, because I said something is happening in the USA, you inferred that I said it's happening everywhere in it, at all time?
What amaze me is people that can derive immediate generalization from a single statement.
Here's what you actually said:
As an outsider I’m always amazed at that “land of the free” that is insistent on censoring stuff, and “home of the brave” that will run through the mud someone standing for freedom and having principles.
Yes. I know. I was there. Are you implying that none of these things I said happened in the USA happened in the USA? Because, they did happen, and it was there. Kind of like what I said and you helpfully quoted.
My turn. Here's what you actually said:
I'm always amazed that people seem to think the USA is a monolith.
Feel free to point where I said the USA is a monolith. Because while I did say that these horrible thing did happen in the USA, and that the USA is known to be "land of the free, home of the brave", at no point I said, implied, or subtly hinted at that this was representative of the USA as a whole.
Your phrasing does in fact imply that it's commonplace and widespread. For example:
that “land of the free” that
and
[that] “home of the brave” that
These phrasings can only refer to the country as a whole.
Your interpretation is yours, and yours only, don't push it onto others.
As an outsider I'm always amazed at that "land of the free" that is insistent on censoring stuff, and "home of the brave" that will run through the mud someone standing for freedom and having principles.
Once you realize that there are actually two Americas occupying the same geographic space, then everything makes more sense.
Only two? I thought we were more divided than that by now
I honestly like the number eleven for the division in the US. There's even a nice map.
As someone born and raised here. It was always do as I say not as I do propaganda. America has been one of the most bigoted arrogant countries of the last 100 years.
Arrogant maybe, but bigoted? I don't agree- its not even in the top 15 compared to all the countries that have done intentional large scale genocides in the past 100 years
On the one hand, you are splitting hairs. On the other hand, Nazi Germany took notes from Jim Crow. SCOTUS is still today ignoring and invalidating treaties we signed with Native Americans. Our medical system is a slow genocide against black people, with capitalism as the cover story for why so many black women die during childbirth.
Yeah the literal holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, etc. It might seem flippant for the other person to have said that, but in the US we really do have fractal bigotry. And a fresh layer of politicians willing to cover it up by force.
It's not big bigotry. It's small bigotry. But small bigotry adds up...
America was founded by religious zealots that were considered too extreme in Europe. Glad you don't agree, but history doesn't have to agree with you.
One of the bigger genocides was committed by a group that literally modeled themselves after us in many ways. Especialy the bigotry. The US and Canada were still performing genocide on first nations people into the 1970s and 80s. They're still finding unmarked mass graves. And that's not even mentioning the race massacres across the US. Of which Oklahoma was just one. And that's only the tip of the iceberg of the things that we did to ourselves. And doesn't cover any of the clandestine actions perform across the rest of the world. Destabilizing other nations. Causing constant Wars strife and suffering all for our benefit.
America was founded on bigotry. Those pilgrims. They came here because the rest of Europe didn't want to roll over and allowed them to enforced their hatred on everyone else. Not to mention the slavery even.
We've made progress since those days for sure. But generally far less than most other nations we do business with. And far less than we would like to believe.
*down votes but no rebuttals. To whomever that was. I'll take that as your acknowledgment of being wrong.
Uh, hello? Native Americans? Enslavement of Africans?
The Civil Rights Act was signed in 1964. That was only 60 years ago.
There are pictures of Bernie Sanders being arrested while protesting segregation. Bernie isn't the oldest serving senator, and there are currently serving senators who have received "F" grades on their civil rights voting records, despite claiming to support civil rights.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2022/01/24/mitch-mcconnell-not-civil-rights-champion-he-claims-opinion/6634360001/
I think it is entirely accurate to state that America is a bigoted nation.
Aparthied was in South Africa until later, now it's policies are being completely reversed- a similar thing has happened in the US.
Red America is blatantly bigoted to LGBTQ+ to the point of passing laws allowing government control over their bodies when the bigots deem appropriate. The goalposts are not all the same from one part of red america to the rest.
Red America hates immigrants openly unless they have the right skin color.
Blue America hates immigrants behind closed doors and develops programs that covertly support the upper middle class while handing out some scraps to others.
Example: Did you know your parents can be billionaires and you can get a 2bedroom luxury apartment in downtown Boston for ~250k so long as you have less than 75k in assets and less than ~80k in income? For poor people saving that much up is tough... for children of the rich though? Trivial! Get an easy cushy job that pays just below the limit and buy the 2BR apartment in downtown Boston for cheap then once the house closes have mommy and daddy get you a big paying job at one of their friends' businesses and start buying more and more housing to rent out, living in el-cheapo 250k-worth-1.5-million-apartment. You can't sell it for ~80 years, but there's nothing saying your girlfriend or mistress can't move in before then. You don't owe more than the original 250k even if you suddenly start making millions or billions of dollars. That's what I call a first time home ownership opportunity.
We (Americans) have our share of bigots, but I understand what you're trying to say. There are many theocratic dictatorships where genocide and violent intolerance is law. There are counteies that are actively engaged in state-sponsored ethnic cleansing, and people are openly hostile to outsiders.
But I would point out that our historical atrocities aren't as long ago as you seem to want them to be.
I'm always amazed that people seem to think the USA is a monolith.
Why, because I said something is happening in the USA, you inferred that I said it's happening everywhere in it, at all time? What amaze me is people that can derive immediate generalization from a single statement.
Here's what you actually said:
Yes. I know. I was there. Are you implying that none of these things I said happened in the USA happened in the USA? Because, they did happen, and it was there. Kind of like what I said and you helpfully quoted.
My turn. Here's what you actually said:
Feel free to point where I said the USA is a monolith. Because while I did say that these horrible thing did happen in the USA, and that the USA is known to be "land of the free, home of the brave", at no point I said, implied, or subtly hinted at that this was representative of the USA as a whole.
Your phrasing does in fact imply that it's commonplace and widespread. For example:
and
These phrasings can only refer to the country as a whole.
Your interpretation is yours, and yours only, don't push it onto others.